Bruce Jenner Is Not A Hero

I generally try to steer clear of controversial issues on here. Most are so deeply embedded in presuppositions that writing about them generally just generates more anger and frustration than meaningful discussion. However, I never want to shy away from speaking something that needs to be said even if I know it is not something people want to hear. So, I want to talk about Bruce Jenner.

Today, Bruce Jenner appeared on the cover of Vanity Fair, dressed as a woman and introducing himself to the world as “Caitlyn Jenner.” You see, he has decided that he is a woman and that by saying it and probably some very extensive surgery, he can make it so. In today’s world, we think gender is something we get to choose, like our career path or our clothes. So, people across the nation have lauded him as a hero. Certainly, this is the current opinion of the masses, but I have to say it. The emperor has no clothes and Bruce Jenner is not a woman.

You can tell me that there is a difference between gender and sex, that Bruce was born with a male body and a female soul, but I would ask where did he get this soul? If there is no God, we are all nothing more than raw matter, we have no souls. If, however, we do have souls, there must be something more than the material. There must be something spiritual and if there is something spiritual, there must be a God who gave us these spirits, but if there is a God, would He make the mistake of putting a female soul in a male body? How can we know? We can know by what He tells us in His word. “Male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27) and He does not make mistakes, but does everything perfectly with love and wisdom.

We seem to want to erase the idea of gender and reinforce it all at once. We don’t want to have to conform to gender stereotypes. We don’t want to be put into categories and yet we want to be able to transfer ourselves by self-declaration from one category to another. We are so in love with our rebellion against God that we cannot see the absurdity and inconsistency of it all.

You may scoff at me. You may call me close-minded because I have allowed my religious beliefs to (gasp!) affect my judgments of propositions such as “Bruce Jenner is a woman trapped in a man’s body.” But if being open-minded means unquestioningly accepting anything and everything because it is progressive or popular, then I want no part of it. If you think I view the world from a Christian perspective and reject things that, based on that world view and common sense, are absurd, I will unabashedly and unapologetically agree.

If you don’t see things from the same Christian world view that I do, we probably do not agree and that is no surprise, but I must insist on one thing.  Bruce Jenner is not a hero.  A hero is someone who has done something brave or noble, who has sacrificed for others.  Bruce Jenner has done none of these things.  He is a man who has posed in women’s clothing on the cover of a magazine, garnering excessive media attention.  What’s more he has waited to do so until the optimum moment when he was most sure to receive praise and acceptance.  Heroes risk much and gain little.  Bruce Jenner has risked little and gained much. I am sure there are many people out there who do things to deserve the title of “hero,” but Bruce Jenner is not one of them.  He is not a hero and he is not a woman.  He is what we all are: lost, sinful, and desperately in need of Jesus. I pray he finds Him.

10,804 thoughts on “Bruce Jenner Is Not A Hero

      • Mindless, how appropriate….. speaking of such, for those who can’t think on their own, give them a book and tell them to follow it. This or expect them to wander around aimlessly bumping into things since many are not spiritually capable of connecting with God directly for guidance. In theory it is better to provide them with a manual.

        The biggest problem with this, though, is their utter lack of common sense in the translative process which creates misguided notions of which they cling to extremely because once again, they are not spiritually capable of connecting with God directly in order to be shown the truth (true meanings).

        Learn to connect with God so He can help you comprehend the truth. Stop depending on translations of translations of translations of books written by several “men” inspired by God in an Era when words and phrases did not have the same meanings as today. Learn how to connect with Him directly so YOU can be Devinely inspired by the Holy Spirit. Know that you ARE worthy of His words and believe that He can enlighten you. Until you have done this, sadly, you will continue to live in darkness with a manual you cannot fully benefit from since you are unable to completely understand it…

      • Was it courage that brought them out…or was it an overwhelming disregard for decency?

        Those who enter into the forbidden closet, should never be heralded as “heroes” upon their departure. Some doors were meant to remain shut, while Pandora’s little black box was never meant to be opened.

      • CJ, it’s funny you talk about Pandora’ box, that’s Greek mythology. And isn’t Greek mythology pagan in your christian eyes? So actually you are a hypocrite who lectures about the bible and god’s work and how you shouldn’t intervene in his work by transitioning, but refers to a “pagan” myth.

        And if you knew anything about this myth you should know that the box WAS MEANT to be opened.
        Again you show how little you know.

    • Thanks for saying what I was thinking. Never be apologetic to anyone for seeing things as they are: absurd, stupid, self-serving, and definitely not worth any praise, despite “popular” opinion. Bruce Jenner states he has always been of female gender … but it didn’t stop him from participating in the Olympics as a man, or knowing what to do with his/her male anatomy to sire daughters! It was OK for him/her to be a man then, wasn’t it? Born with it? I don’t think so.

    • No kidding without a doubt! I saw this article posted on my cousins wall I was totally ashamed and disgusted I wanted to comment on it but my mother said keep your mouth shut because I’m too voicetress and it would start problems and then she’d start bringing up that we were raised Catholic and all this Crap you can’t help the way you were born is the way I look at it you are who you are God made you who you are we are all unique in our own ways to me this is just another hate site

  1. You are very harsh and judgmental for a professed Christian.

    The discussion has veered from whether Caitlin Jenner meets the definition of a hero and into whether transgender people are mentally ill or genetically defective or willful and sinful.

    I am not aware of any rule that says heroes must be physically or mentally healthy. Isn’t it heroic for people with cancer to ignore their own pain and fear to keep working on behalf of their families? Isn’t it heroic for alcoholics or people with mental illness to face their demons and fight to live normal lives?

    I don’t know whether any of you have actually spoken with a transgender individual. They are just people like the rest of us, trying to live in a way that feels true to their values and sense of self. Maybe that’s what you find so distressing.

      • As I said before: “If Bruce Jenner is a “hero” then the average man is a god.”

        The truth of the matter is that Bruce Jenner was being used by social engineers and media moguls to promote transgenderism. So, was he a “hero” for doing so? No…as a “reality” t.v. star he is a performer, who plays and part and reads from a script. If he wants to remain relevant, increase in wealth and remain in the public eye…he will do what he’s told and when he’s told to do it.

        Bruce’s miraculous and heroic conversion just happened to come out at the very same time the networks were piecing together television programming, which aimed to promote transgenderism and all its quirks as a natural and healthy lifestyle, with shows like: “Call me Kate”, “Becoming Us” and “I am Jazz”.

        Bruce “coming out” when he did was a simple marketing ploy and a foreshadowing of things to come. The timing of his “heroic” transformation was used to set the stage, desensitize the masses, and indoctrinate the mindless.

    • Yes I agree 100 percent. So obvious how the control the minds of the weak and the willfully ignorant.

  2. I’m not attacking you in any way but soul has nothing to with the christian god that you’re talking about. There are other religions – more open-minded ones – that do believe in a human soul and still don’t think god is the one who created it, at least not the god that you’re talking about. I might not care about Caitlyn Jenner but I do care about people and I hope you won’t have a child who will be deeply unhappy because his/her mother can’t accept the fact that he/she is transsexual. You should reconsider your arguments because in a few years time you will think differently when all of this is not just about famous people but more about daily life. It’s great to say what you think but I don’t think this is a very meaningful discussion since you’re not accepting the fact that other people don’t think or believe like you do.

    • I agree – we all need to be more “Christian” in our acceptance of others who are no like us. We are all struggling so why not be kind to others and help them through life. But for you go I could someday happen to you.

      • Well would you say Jesus Christ/God is a “Christian”? Here are a couple of HIS “Christian” statements on Bruce Jenner and his ilk: “The wicked strut about on every side when VILENESS is exalted among the sons of men.” Psalm 12:8 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFIMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Cor 6:9

        There you go Noqq. Straight from God’s mouth. Is that “Christian” enough for you? Notice that God is not some weak, milqtoast wimp who “loves everyone” including the wicked and is too afraid to stand up for righteousness! The “Christ” in your version of “Christianity” is a False one.

      • “Notice that God is not some weak, milquetoast wimp who “loves everyone” including the wicked and is too afraid to stand up for righteousness! The “Christ” in your version of “Christianity” is a False one.” – FreeSpirit

        Indeed. Many people forget that our Heavenly Father and His glorious, victorious Son are loving, merciful, gracious, compassionate and JUST. So many pseudo-Christians and “Cotton Candy” theologians ignore:

        John 14:23 “Jesus answered and said to him, ‘If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.'”

        Scripture never claims that our Heavenly Father and Son will forgive the unrepentant sinner, ignore the evil that lurks in the souls of men (and women), or smile kindly upon those who reject His Word. In fact, we are told that these people will be judged according to their deeds, which brings the 10 Commandments and the Two Great Commands (of the New Testament) into play.

        Best wishes and be well – C.J. Sledgehammer

    • I hope this is not what you truly think is going to happen to this generation, i.e. that it will be a common place occurrence? And, you are proud of that? I would hope that the less publicity this issue gets, the less people will consider their sexuality and be happy with who they are. That’s what all the trouble is about. No one is happy with who they are, so they want to change. If it’s not a face-lift, a divorce, a diet, being gay . . . it’s got to be some damned thing, doesn’t it? I want people to accept that it’s OK to be WHO YOU WERE BORN!!!!!

      • A) “Sexuality” does not refer to either biological sex or gender.
        B) If you are gay, then you are actually being the person you were born.

      • Hilary:

        Homosexuals aren’t born…they’re made. And, the expression of homosexuality is known to be the “tip of the iceberg” when it comes to the emotional, spiritual, and psychological disorders that often afflict these denatured souls.

        Homosexuality may be a natural response for (some) emotionally traumatized and psychologically tortured souls, but it is neither a moral, helpful or healthy response, thus it should be treated as a mental disorder and physical disability.

      • CJ thank you. You have just exposed how much research you have NOT done on homosexuality. On this subject Sir, you can now sit down.

        Spend a little more time trying to find the truth, and that is the perfect place to start. Once you research it completely, you will understand a lot more than you do right now and this is where your journey will actually begin. #illuminatingtherealtruth

      • Majority:

        Having not posted during the past month, I actually forgot you existed. Now I can see why you never come to mind – your commentary is so glib, superficial, and unappealing…that it is never saved to memory.

      • Are you referring specifically to same-sex sexual activity? Or feelings of romantic love toward a member of the same sex? Or both? And in what specific ways are these behaviors or emotions taught (or else imbued by trauma)?

      • Hilary:

        For illumination, please feel free to read the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Illnesses prior to the coerced, politicized and sanitized version of 1980 (where the American Psychological Association had been threatened to such an extent – that they took the homosexual’s lengthy profile out of the next addition).

        I hope you can understand that being hounded and hampered by homosexual thoughts and urges is simply the precursor that leads to the physical surrender, so the psychological defects and emotional damage that leads to the action is already present, so they are already armed and dangerous. Please keep in mind that it is the thought that drives the action, hence bad ideas give rise to foolish deeds.

        Stop pretending that there is another viable option for boys and girls to consider, other than to entertain the company of the other. One’s sexuality has already been determined in the womb and we do not have the authority or the ability to veto that decision.

        The alleged “gay gene'”, which is only a thought or gentle whisper, is never sufficient to override the reverberating SHOUT delivered by one’s natural physiology, therefore emotional trauma, psychological damage, behavioral maladies, or social conditioning are needed to construct a new homosexual.

      • The statement comes from the belief that when an individual transitions into either a man or a woman, they embody the most stereotypical forms of being a woman/man ( i.e. they take on the gender stereotypes that all women love makeup, get their nails done, act prissy – things that we deem as feminine). The thought process is that by transitioning into a woman and then taking on those “feminine behaviours” to display womanhood, one inextricably ties being a woman to those stereotypical actions.

        But there is a major flaw in the statement, “transgender people reinforce gender stereotypes.” This completely ignores the variety of transgendered individuals out there who do not conform to stereotypical gender norms.

        This topic is extremely difficult to grapple with in a society where your gender is the most important thing about you. Just think of the first thing one says when seeing a newborn… “is it a boy or a girl?.” We have a long way to go in terms of trans and gender rights but discussions spawned by this author help along the way.

  3. I’m not particularly impressed with your logic, or style of writing, and even if I was, it doesn’t change the fact that no absolutely nothing about the matter you are trying to convince me of. Admittedly, neither does anyone else. However, their lack of real knowledge on the matter, doesn’t increase yours. And that begs the question, why are you trying to get me to listen to you? There are two possible answers, #1you’re actually arrogant enough to believe that you’re the only one who knows the answer. #2 you’re doing it for the money. I’m gonna go with two. That means you’re fucking Bruce Jenner, and you want me to pay you for it. Whore, get out of town…

  4. Ok I’m going to say it.

    American candy bacon is tasty, but it really isn’t that great. It’s small and thin so it doesn’t have much meat. Therefore you tend to eat more and end up with a sore belly or tooth ache. Nothing beats actual Bacon mmm

    We are all entitled to our opinion. Especially considering this is Facebook, where it’s almost an invisible law to be a highly opinionated jerk.

    But, if you are publicly word bashing Caitlyn Jenner on her decision to ‘transition’…then you should probably take your opinion, fold it into origami and then shove it up your nasal cavities. Why? Because no one needs it. The statement I made before about candy bacon is personal. It’s personal because that is my experience with candy bacon, therefore I feel I am entitled to that opinion.

    I’m mostly referring to religious people like this Emily Schuch and her blog article “Bruce Jenner is not a hero” Emily Schuch is not transgender therefore I presume she has no/very little first hand experience regarding transgenderism.

    There is a saying that I’m sure most are familiar with – “if you have nothing nice to say, then don’t say it at all”
    Personally, I think that a bit of criticism isn’t bad at all. If I’m told that my burrito is too hot to handle, then next time I’ll probably put a lot less chilli in it. If I’m told that my crop top doesn’t suit me, then I’d look at my midriff and probably know why and seriously reconsider wearing something else next time! Haha but in all seriousness, nothing good or constructive can be derived from this article or any like this.

    The truth is, Bruce Jenner will probably never meet this lady or ever read this article, or even care at all. However, I’m sure that there will be dozens or even hundreds of transgender boy and girls, old and young, proud or too confused to know what’s going on with them, that will read this and feel completely defeated. It’s easy to make blatant comments about celebrities who are in the spotlight, however people often forget that there are people out there who identify with Bruce and Caitlyn. Without even taking the time to get to know or meet that person, let alone a whole group of people, judgement has already been passed upon them.

    Caitlyn Jenner is not my hero, and she might not be yours, but nevertheless Caitlyn Jenner is a hero. She is a hero to the 75 year old man who has been inspired hope that it’s never too late to be yourself. She is a hero to that little girl contemplating suicide because she is alone and confused. A hero to a father and mother who lost their child because of the discrimination. Emily Schuch went out of her way and even “insists” that Bruce Jenner is not a hero.

    Schuch’s article does say, “if you don’t see things from the same Christian world view that I do, we probably do not agree and that is no surprise” The thing is, I can see it from a Christian world view as well and all I have to say is that even Christians themselves don’t agree with everything or see eye to eye. Why else are there so many sects and denominations? So I have no clue which of the 43,000 Christian world views she’s talking about.

    Whether you are a Christian keyboard warrior, a Muslim butterfly collector, an atheist mountain biker, a baked baker, wheel chair basketball MVP, Siberian chess champion, or have a doctorate of musical chairs; take a moment and step back and ask yourself. Does what I say to other people encourage them? Make them smile? Is it edifying and have substance? Does it help them? And most importantly, does it project love? If it doesn’t, then it’s probably not worth saying.

    To Emily Schuch and every other religious lollipop – if you think it’s ‘Christian’ to write an article like this, then I urge you to reevaluate yourselves because you are going to ruin your testimony (and also other’s) rather than actually do any good. I hope you find Jesus. Not the Mexican pool cleaner, but the personal Jesus who was compassionate and understanding. The Jesus who chose to hang out with prostitutes, tax collectors and leapers instead of kings and Pharisees. The Jesus that told the children to stay and come closer, instead of rejecting them when everyone else did. Put yourself in their Schuchs (Shoes)

    Candy bacon is still cool with me.

    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

    1 Corinthians 13:4-7

    • Benjamin, your response is a a great example of how people should treat others. Of course it’s sad to watch humans attack without considering how their words and actions could effect others, but I’m even more so disappointed when I see people who claim to be Christians and claim to know God do it when they obviously haven’t taken the time to learn more about the topic. These are people who claim to be (as Christians) an “example” of the right way to conduct yourself and yet many times they are the rally leaders to condemn people they dont know and do not try to understand. They should know better and if they did have a special relationship with God (and listened to Him), they actually would.
      I don’t know your faith but it doesnt matter. I can see you are Spiritually connected and Devinely inspired. Thank you for sharing.

      • Patricia M:

        After reading all these responses here, I was honestly ready for a righteous word bashing! Haha Thank you for your encouraging, calm and collected reply!

        Like you said, it doesn’t matter; but I’ll give a little of my background and upbringing. I was born into a missionary family that moved to Australia from the Philippines with pretty much nothing, God provided for us 100% while growing up. My dad became a pastor (Pentecostal) of a Filipino church that he founded in my teenage years and I became a youth leader and also worship leader at my own church. I’ve also gone to bible school. Travelling all around the world while growing up really opens and broadens your view on the world and God’s people. For example, while western churches have big million dollar buildings and all the nice things that come along with it, I’ve hiked to churches up in the Himalayas made of mud and sticks. The only instrument was a guitar and beautiful worshiping voices. The little money they have they give towards tithes AND offerings. Their discussions do not involve any petty talk but are full of life, love and encouragements. I could not dare even imagine what they would think or how they would feel if they stepped into a western church today! I wouldn’t be surprised if they called the western church “not real Christians” like many of you here have been calling others in the comments here.

        I always remembered flying back from long overseas missions trips and coming back to everyone being the same comfortable Christian as they were before. Still the same type of ‘feel good’ and ‘prosperity’ type of teachings and Starbucks after church.

        Anyway, there really wasn’t much condemnation from my part but after experiencing all that and much more throughout the years it just didn’t sit right with me and I couldn’t be part of it. I remember being 15 years old and this girl I was good friends with got involved with drugs. The youth leaders found out and instead of trying to help her out in any way, they banned her from youth group.

        Anyway, I think I may have gotten a little sidetracked! But this is pretty much why I’m not very fond of Christians that are condemning and lack compassion and empathy.

        The world is broken and they need Jesus. Christians are meant to be representing Jesus in this world. Jesus loves people! He hung out with non believers most of the time so they could get to know Him and therefore become like Him! I’d like to think Christians to be the warm arms open type of people where broken people can feel safe to approach like how Jesus called upon the weary and heavy burdened and he offered them rest. Quite frankly, I don’t feel that Caitlyn Jenner will truly be satisfied because as Romans 8:6 says – “The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.” The only time she will ever feel complete is when she accepts Jesus as her lord and saviour but after reading the comments on article I wouldn’t want anything to do with Jesus (if I didn’t know better). I think I even read some idiot writing something along the lines of “we’ve wasted too much pearls on swine” like seriously? How many times has God forgiven you? God said there is no more condemnation for those in Christ, yet you can’t even extend the same grace towards others in hope that they may also receive Him one day? I’m not sure how much self righteousness is takes to feed one’s ego instead of exercising a little humility and not hurting people in the process! This world needs a lot of Love!

  5. I must say, a lot of you haters here remind me of 1 Corinthians 13:1

    “If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.”

    DING DONG! Haha oh the irony!

    • You, Benjamin, are a hero as well. Thank you for our insight, kindness and wisdom. So refreshing in this sea of hate and judgment. Blessed be.

      • GreatMom55:

        Are you advocating that people are more loving when they do not oppose the self-destructive decisions of their neighbors, siblings, children or friends or that they are more loving by refusing to warn others about unhealthy lifestyle choices? In my mind, this sounds more like indifference than love and it seems to be motivated more by cowardice than natural affection.

        To support one in sin…is to dance with the devil on your neighbor’s grave.

        Since you brought the Bible into this, I have to wonder why Christ Jesus would waste His time telling the masses that homosexuals, adulterers, murderers, and drunkards would never inherit eternal life – unless they turned to Him and away from their shameful behaviorisms and horrific lifestyle choices.

        Are you advocating that Christ Jesus has no love for these people, because He told them their sin has made them unacceptable? Are you advocating that the Son of God ought to show His love for them by supporting them in their sin and by handing them over to disease and worthless minds? Please advise.

      • Hilary:

        I am curious…what would someone have to do or what choices would they have to make, in order for you to intervene. Then again, to what depth would society have to plunge, in order for you to take a stand.

      • Again you are begging the question.
        But I do feel like I am taking a stand for LGBT people with my life in general (but to a certain extent in discussion on this forum).

      • CJ – I’ve always been taught that a sin is a sin. It’s not up to me or you or anyone else to judge which one is worse than the next. We all sin every day — yes, even you and your buddy, Little Rebel! – as do all your friends and family. Do you approach each and every person in your life, every day, to point out their shortcomings? Do you want people telling you every minute of every day what you’ve done wrong, how you’ve misspoken, or what transgression you’ve committed? I doubt it nor does my God ask that of me. He asks me to love and be kind and all the rest will take care of itself. Whether homosexuality or transgender is a choice or not is irrelevant, at least to me, as is whether or not it’s a sin by your standards. If it is, it’s not my sin and God will figure it out. If it’s not, then shame on you and your kind for so harshly judging fellow human beings. We’re all born with something, CJ, and as Deepak Chopra would say, those who are the most self-righteous generally have the darkest secrets.

        And FYI, I didn’t bring the Bible into this discussion….

      • GreatMom55:

        Thank you for your reply.

        “CJ – I’ve always been taught that a sin is a sin. It’s not up to me or you or anyone else to judge which one is worse than the next.”

        You are “right as rain”, GreatMom55, that is why I allow Scripture to set the standard, lay down the law, and make all the judgments, while I try to live accordingly…and pass it on.

        Just so you know…the Almighty hates all sin, but having said that, there seems to be some sins that our Heavenly Father detests more than others. We can read about them in Proverbs 6:16-19:

        16 “There are six things the Lord hates,
        seven that are detestable to him:
        17 haughty eyes,
        a lying tongue,
        hands that shed innocent blood,
        18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
        feet that are quick to rush into evil,
        19 a false witness who pours out lies
        and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.”

        Moreover, when we take a quick gander at 1 Corinthians 6:18 “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body”, we find that sexual sins, not only offend God, but they are an offense to the participant’s own body, which is meant to be the sanctuary of the Holy Spirit (verse 19). A sexual sin, therefore, delivers a “double-whammy”.

        You then asked me, “Do you approach each and every person in your life, every day, to point out their shortcomings? Do you want people telling you every minute of every day what you’ve done wrong, how you’ve misspoken, or what transgression you’ve committed?”

        Of course, the answer is “no” (on both counts), but I also know these rhetorical questions are “red herrings” that are meant to cloud the real issue. Please understand that one of the basic differences between my struggle with sin and Mr. Jenner’s, is that I do not broadcast mine across the world and invite others to participate therein.

        Please take into account Romans 1:28-32

        (28) “Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. (29) They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, (30) slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; (31) they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. (32) Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”

        Verse 32 does a good job distinguishing Mr. Jenner’s life of sin…from mine. From what I have read in the papers, heard on the radio, and watched on television, Mr. Jenner seems to relish his sin…he likes to broadcast his sin…he revels in his sin…he’s proud of his sin, he profits off his sin, and likes to stir up controversy to such an extent, that the entire world can watch him make a mockery of decency and God’s creation on national television.

        Of course, we also know that without having to say a word – he inspires the weak-minded and spiritually malnourished to follow suit, while encouraging those who are already predisposed to this affliction…to stay the course.

        Enough for now…gotta run – C.J.

      • Oh, and for the record, I never indicated that I don’t believe Jesus loves us all. It’s you who seem to have the intense dislike thing going on….

      • Honestly, the judgment and hostility I see on this particular website is pretty darn scary, so I’m going to choose to bow out and let you “Christians” (and I use that term loosely) solve all the problems of the world. I’m going back to the real world, where I’m surrounded by positive, loving people whose God acts nothing like the one you all seem to know so well. Good luck to you all, particularly the writer/owner of this blog who seems to be filled with self-righteousness and who thinks she has all the answers. I can’t imagine living with or around her “perfection.” Yeah, yeah, I know, Christians aren’t perfect, just saved…but they sure know how to tell everybody else how to live their lives. And, oh, by the way, keep the government out of their lives, unless the government is banning something they don’t approve of, then by all means, the government should get right on that. Such hypocrisy but obviously it’s something you’re all comfortable living with so carry on and Godspeed.

      • GreatMom55:

        “Honestly, the judgment and hostility I see on this particular website is pretty darn scary…” – GM55

        I know what you mean. The LGBT crowd preaches tolerance, but when someone opposes their way of life….they get nasty as hell.

        Of course, this is the same tactic they used to badger, harass, intimidate, and threaten the American Psychological Association, in order to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders of 1973.

        Because of all the death threats and violent acts stemming from the militant LGBT lobby and from their ardent supporters…the mental illness long known as “homosexuality” was cured overnight – just by removing said malady from the APA’s next publication of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

        We learned 4 things here:
        (1) The American Psychological Association has no spine
        (2) The LGBT crowd is far sicker than previously thought
        (3) Burning buildings, smashing windows, assaulting people and threatening to kill them can be great fun, if you are sick in the head
        (4) Violence can be used as an effective way to shove one’s wayward “lifestyle” down the throat of civilized societies.

      • Oh, CJ, CJ…there are so many things I could say in response to you but, truly, what would be the point? Narrow minded people typically can’t or don’t want to change and I don’t have the time or the energy to try to convince someone like you to think rationally and heaven knows only you can turn your heart into an instrument of love. Just remember, one of those sins that God hates which you so kindly enumerated for silly, Bible-illiterate little old me — stirring up trouble in the community (even an online community) — is exactly what Emily and you do with your intolerant, spiteful words (wrapped in scripture with a Jesus bow on top, of course) and her insistence that she steers clear of controversial topics is laughable. She seeks out controversy, under the guise of doing God’s will, or perhaps to earn some Good Christian Brownie Points. Maybe she wants or needs the attention, I can’t say, but it’s nonetheless hypocritical to profess innocence and altruistic intent. You and she can call it what you will, rationalize it any way you want, quote scripture to justify your attitudes all day long. The majority of thoughtful, mindful people are quite capable of recognizing anger and bitterness when they see (or read) it so perhaps a long hard look in the mirror might be in order for you both. Perhaps you are conflicted with regard to your own sexual orientation, which might explain your anger and inner turmoil? Blessed be.

      • GreatMom55:

        Yes…I am happy to say that I have become “narrow minded” since I gave my life to Christ, but this is exactly what one would expect to see when one finds the truth and dares to live with Godly principles. In fact, Christ, Himself, made reference to this concept in Matthew 7:13-14 when He said:

        “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”

        You gave me a flicker of hope when you acknowledged “I don’t have the time or the energy to try to convince someone like you….”

        Indeed…I chose to turn my back on the “world”, and all it holds dear – a long time ago. When I met our Heavenly Father in prayer and gave my life to His glorious Son, Christ Yeshua (Jesus)…the world, along with its philosophies, treasures, and trophies – no longer held my attention or appealed to my spirit.

        “Only you can turn your heart into an instrument of love.”

        I respectfully disagree. There can be no true love without the only true source of love, which emanates from our Heavenly Father (YHWH) and
        through His only begotten Son, Christ Yeshua (Jesus). This is to say that if one does not know The Father or The Son, one cannot truly know what love is nor can they truly give it.

        In any event John 15:13-14 says, “Greater love has no one than this: that one lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do what I command you.…”

        Supporting a man who puts on a dress and makeup and who hopes to mutilate his body through plastic surgery (with the vain hopes of becoming a woman) is not loving…it’s pathetic, barbaric, and lacks compassion and common decency.

        You then went on to say, “Just remember, one of those sins that God hates which you so kindly enumerated for silly, Bible-illiterate little old me — stirring up trouble in the community (even an online community) — is exactly what Emily and you do with your intolerant, spiteful words.”

        Indeed. I guess you could say that Christ stirred up “trouble”, whenever He brought His life-giving message to the wayward communities He visited. In fact, all His disciples stirred-up a little trouble, too.

        Please consider Emily (and all those who oppose sin in all its forms and ways) as little boys and girls who acknowledge sin for what it is, are courageous enough to stand against it, and faithful enough to address it (in a Christ-like fashion).

        I have a feeling, however, that you have little tolerance for the truth, and may even fear it, thus you accuse legitimate Christians as being “spiteful”. Please read John 3:18-20, because it does a great job shedding light on this issue:

        “He who believes in Him (Jesus) is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.…”

        Best of luck to you and yours – C.J.

      • Greatmom55, you have spoken well. You can’t force someone to listen. One of these days he will connect personally with God and the Holy Spirit will be able to directly inspire him with the truth. Until then, allow him to follow his Bible and selectively choose his rules to follow, this is the only process he is capable of understanding at this point. It is the same journey for most young souls.

        CJ, you missed a couple of scriptures my dear:

        Matthew 7:1-2 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.”

        Mark 12:31 “The second is this: Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”

        Be careful with your selective policies…

      • Majority:

        You instructed me to, “Be careful with your selective policies…” Yet, in doing so, you have revealed your own hand and stepped in your own trap.

        Having followed Christ and His magnificent Father for many years, I know the difference between true discipleship from the “cotton candy” theology you espouse. You and the Joel Osteen crowd will “love thy neighbor” all the way to the gates of hell, as long as you never have to roll up your sleeves and get a little dirty.

      • CJ, you may be 60 in human years (although this is also questionable), but you are quite obviously a very young soul. Not only in your beliefs but also in your gregarious display. I will leave your education to God and it will come with maturity. I’m glad you’re standing for something even if it lacks necessary guidance to complete your journey. This is something that will come later as you grow. I only wish this process of growth was not so destructive, but it’s important to allow you to have your own time to learn. You are a good exercise for others.

        Again, my caution is to be careful of your selective process with respect to the Bible and remember the verses I gave you previously. As well as Hebrews 13:2.

      • Thanks for your input Majority, but I’m not in the market for “big medicine” nor do I need a spiritual guide. I really don’t understand all this “old soul/young soul” baloney, so you’re wasting your time on me.

        By the way….some of the things you have said remind me of someone that I have not heard from in a SHORT spell and LITTLE while. Clever girl.

        Be well – C.J. Sledgehammer

      • CJ’s post above brilliantly proves my point through justification, rationalization, denial and arrogance. You cannot truly be a Christian until you are Christ-like. So ask yourself, CJ, what would Jesus do and how would he treat Bruce/Caitlyn? Would he use words like pathetic and barbaric (and many other hurtful references which I won’t recount) to describe his choices? I don’t think so and, for me, therein lies my answer and how I choose to model my life. I am content in the knowledge that God approves of that choice, and I hope you’re as content with your choices, CJ, and that they make you feel good about the person you are.

      • GreatMom55:

        I think you are confusing spiritual discernment, faithfulness and righteous indignation for “justification, rationalization, denial and arrogance.”

        You see, when I try to uphold Biblical principles and stand in faith…I am not justifying, rationalizing, denying or walking in pride. What I am doing is allowing the Word of God to speak for Itself.

        Those who do not follow God’s holy Word are the ones who need to justify and rationalize why they are living the way they are, in light of God’s Word. They then deny God’s Word in favor of their own moral code, thus rebelling against the KING of Kings and LORD of Lords – proving once and for all that they are spiritually arrogant and excessively proud.

        You then asked me “What would Jesus do and how would He treat Bruce.” Well, that’s a good question. I think Christ would spend some time talking to Bruce, but would not depart without saying, “Go and sin no more” (John 8:11).

        Then I think my Lord would address the LGBT crowd by using the words of St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:33,34 “Do not be misled: Bad company corrupts good character. Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to your shame.”

        I think the Lord would also address those who are riding the proverbial fence by saying, “Do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure.” – 1 Timothy 5:22

        Be well – C.J.

  6. Not a hero, plain and simple. Just a dude turning into a chick. You want to know a hero? Go thank a veteran or acurrent military member. If this is what the world is then it’s wrong. If you want to worship some reality TV star then that’s your prerogative. Just know you need to see the bigger picture.

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  8. I just want to say that I feel awful for these kind of people. God does make everyone perfect in his eyes, so for Bruce to have reconstruction surgery to look like a woman is going against God! There is something wrong with these people and we do need to have tolerance for them. But to give him (as he is still a Man) an Espy award for doing this is outrageous. I know it took courage for him to come out to the world, but he was known as a manly man who won at the Olympics and at his age should have let this alone. Why Do it now? He ruined his image as an athlete! If he were truly a woman then he would not have been able to compete as a man back then and win! Should we take away his medal?
    I feel sorry for people who are gay or transgendered as they can’t help it but that doesn’t make it right. How would we have populated the Earth if all people were gay from the beginning? I am sick of having this shoved down my throat. It’s on Tv, on magazine covers, everywhere you look. Can’t these people just be who they are without announcing it to the world!!?? I don’t go around saying I’m STRAIGHT!!
    I know I will get hatred on with my comments but I an 53 years old and in my day there wasn’t all this media attention to this subject. People were just who they were. Please, can we go back to that and quit forcing all of these sexual ideas on everyone??!!

    • This is the new civil rights movement, and you are are the wrong side of history complaining about wanting things back the way they used to be.

      • Hilary:

        Our Heavenly Father and Mother Nature have ruled against your beloved LGBT sisters and brothers. The only things propping them up (for the moment) are a depraved Supreme Court, heinous White House, sinister Senate, and corrupt Congress.

      • There was a time when members of our society used Biblical support to prop up slavery and the subjugation of the non-white races. Fortunately, we have moved past such nonsense.

      • Hilary:

        “There was a time when members of our society used Biblical support to prop up slavery and the subjugation of the non-white races. Fortunately, we have moved past such nonsense.” – Hilary

        There are many on this blog and throughout the world who have misused the Bible to justify their own nefarious deeds, even using the Word of God to justify their own sin. These derelicts are astute enough to see that the Bible is THE ruling Authority, thus they try to tap into Its power and wield it for their own selfish purpose.

        By the same token, the U.S. Supreme Court makes a mockery of the U.S. Constitution each time they rule in favor of abortion and homosexuality. So, is the U.S. Constitution flawed or are there those who deliberately try to make it say something that it doesn’t? These people have been cut from the same fabric as those who have tried to profit by misusing God’s Holy Word over the years.

        This doesn’t make the Bible or U.S. Constitution bad…it just means moral reprobates (in black robes) are having a little fun with the American public, are drunk with power, have lost their moral compass, and need to be replaced.

      • In what way has this SCOTUS violated either the letter or the spirit of the US Constitution?

      • Mental insanity is the next civil rights movement? I would describe that as a devolution, not evolution.

    • Your post is spot on. I’m almost 60 (will be at the end of this year) and I say he had the chance to have his change many years before now, before there were kids involved and if you think this procedure hasn’t been around very long, then look back and you’ll find that this was happening in the 70’s. I used to work for a law firm and a woman came in who was having a change to become a man so she went to UTMB in Galveston to have the procedure done. It took 3 years for her transformation and just before I left that firm, she had completed the medical/physical phase and was then going through a name change and divorce. She gave up custody of her two young teens to her husband. In my opinion it was selfish of her to do this to her kids. I think it’s selfish of Bruce J to do this to his kids but anything goes in Hollywood-not so much in Texas!

      • Hi again Nanashirl,
        so you say that Jenner had all the time to come out and transition and that she was selfish to do this to her kids.
        First, if the kids are fine with it then why is it so bad? There all grown up and can handle this (maybe that’s why she waited so long, for her kids).
        Second, you don’t know how frightening it is to come out when you are unknown to the world, it must be thousand times more frightening if you are a nation’s hero.
        And last, you speak about this woman who transitioned into a guy. Well, good for him. He must have had a lot of courage, but not everyone has that. Also giving up custody is not like abandoning your kids, my dad does not have the custody, does that make him a bad dad? No.

        One last thing, you kind of act as if you are okay with transgender people but you don’t use the pronouns that this man would most likely prefer? Sounds a bit hypocritical?

      • It’s not hypocritical to call Caitlyn a hero in any way. She stood up for a whole community that gets bullied, harassed and excluded because of who they are.
        What hypocritical is, is that you say in a comment that you don’t mind transgender people, but you obviously don’t except Jenner to be this because she started her transition so late in her life. That’s hypocritical.

  9. You’re so right, Hilary, but I think we have to remember that we’re trying to reason with people who would prefer to live in Duggar-dom. Women really shouldn’t be seen outside the home (unless you’re starring in a reality TV show, that is), are good for nothing but being brood mares and should be at the beck and call of “their man” whenever the urge strikes. You know, she must be subordinate and all that fundamental tomfoolery. So how could we possibly expect them to acknowledge the simply human dignity of the LGBT community when they, by their own admission, don’t understand and don’t WANT to understand? Heck, they’d probably like to go back to the days before electricity!!

    • GreatMom55:

      “Women really shouldn’t be seen outside the home…are good for nothing but being brood mares and should be at the beck and call of “their man” whenever the urge strikes.” – GM55

      I am uncertain why you are “up in arms” about the treatment of women, when you disrespect and degrade this lovely creation, in favor of a cheap counterfeit and mutilated abomination that has been pieced-together in a mad scientist’s lab.

      According to the LGBT crowd…a woman is just a conglomeration of silicone implants, fake eyelashes, fake nails, fake hormones, wigs, feminine apparel and the surgical removal of male genitalia in favor of something that resembles an open ax wound.

      Now…I don’t accept this new definition of womanhood, but apparently there are a number of you who do.

      • GreatMom55:

        “Careful, CJ. Your chauvinism is showing….” – GM55

        You certainly are a judgmental little thing, aren’t you.

      • He’s like a microaggession machine! “Little thing”? Seriously?

      • Hilary:

        Either you are a paradoxical enigma, deeply confused, or simply twisted. I know not which.

        On one hand, you want us to believe you were aghast, stunned, and otherwise taken aback, when you heard me tell GreatMom55 that I thought she was a “Judgmental ‘little thing’.”

        Yet, on the other hand, you think it is a natural and loving expression when two men sodomize each other or when two women exchange marital vows. Your eyes mist over when you see men removing their pants in favor of women’s apparel. Your heart is filled with glee whenever a natural woman has her “plumbing” removed and a Jimmie Dean sausage is sewn-on in its place.

        Moreover, your heart bursts with pride when you hear of a boy asking his mother how to strap on a bra or how to walk in high-heels. You are overwhelmed with emotions, as tears of joy run down your face, each time you hear of the brutal and barbaric dismemberment and death of a baby inside his mother’s womb. Finally, you inhale a deep breath of satisfaction and exhale the air of contentedness, knowing that the days of enlightenment have come.

        Now, if you ask me, I think you have made peace with human depravity, to such an extent, that absolutely nothing shames or astounds you anymore – except Godliness and decency.

      • I expect you do find me to be an enigma when you have absolutely no concept or understanding of my worldview.

      • I’m not sure why you assume that trans women have fake anything. There is no requirement to wear cosmetics or have plastic surgery (as there is no requirement for biological women to do so). If a woman (trans or biological) chooses to have breast implants, that is her choice. But a woman is a woman, with or without mascara.

      • Hilary:

        “I’m not sure why you assume that trans women have fake anything. There is no requirement to wear cosmetics or have plastic surgery (as there is no requirement for biological women to do so). If a woman (trans or biological) chooses to have breast implants, that is her choice. But a woman is a woman, with or without mascara.” – Hilary

        I believe you are being disingenuous. Transgendered people want to feel like the other sex, therefore they try to emulate them in thought, word, and deed.

        Honestly…have you ever seen a transgendered male without displaying any of the feminine “bells and whistles”? Of course you haven’t – because that is part of the allure…the fun…and is such an essential element of their new identity.

        Be well

      • Most trans women wear no more makeup, etc than any other woman.
        Drag queens exaggerate femininity for the purpose of female impersonation and artistry, but this is, for the most part, a different population.

      • Trust me, Hilary, all his passive/aggressive tactics do is make me laugh and make him look like a bully!

        I’ll just say this, CJ, and then I really am pretty much done with your deliberate obtuseness. It is your right to disagree with anyone’s lifestyle. You are entitled to your definition of sin (and yes, it’s YOUR definition because everybody interprets scripture in their own way), and you should most definitely pray for anyone for whom you are concerned. We can all use prayer, all day, every day. If, however, you are the Christian you profess to be, compassion is not optional. It’s a requirement, and in that arena, for this group of fellow human beings, you are sorely lacking. God forbid someone you care about be faced with this issue, because I shudder to think about the feedback they would receive from you, but karma can be a you-know-what. Tread lightly because one day you just might have to eat some crow, my dear. WWJD? Think about it!

      • GreatMom55:

        Please understand that God is a God of love, mercy, and grace – as well as a God of justice and order.

        Many pseudo “Christian” practitioners and career sinners, hold onto the loving aspect of our Creator, all-the-while forgetting that He is a just and jealous God that destroyed the world of man, with a deluge of water, because of their depraved minds and impenitent hearts.

        Yes, God is loving and kindhearted and will grant mercy to those who have been baptized into the death and resurrection of His victorious Son, Christ Yeshua. He will, nevertheless, uphold His laws, the natural order of His creation, and will bring justice to His people and judgment to the damned. This is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth…so help me God.

        I acknowledge that Love is the greatest gift mankind has received and this Love, in its purest form, comes from our Creator Himself. His children are told that they can do great things in His Name and even give their lives for His Name’s sake, but without love…it was all for naught.

        Having said that…there are many pseudo practitioners within the “Christian” community, who will “love” their neighbors to death. They will love their neighbors, even when they see them pick up a loaded pistol, shove it in their mouths, and pull the trigger – never offering a word of warning or interceding in any way. With friends like that…who needs enemies?

  10. There *is* a difference between gender and sex. Gender is a set of rules about behavior based on your sex, and sex is your potential to produce either eggs or sperm. You might say that where sex is whether you are male or female, gender is whether you are “properly” masculine or feminine.

    Some would say, and I’m one of them, that the whole purpose of gender in *our* culture is to make women submissive and men dominant, far beyond what we all might have been biologically. That’s why some people want to destroy the idea of gender in our culture, because they’re tired of women being bossed around and having to express “power” through their husbands simply because we were born without penises.

    Others would argue, though, that gender doesn’t really exist as a discrete biological thing. That it’s all in our heads. So we can choose whether to play along with it or not.

    The trouble is that the people who support the transgender movement DON’T want to destroy gender. They actually AGREE with you about gender being innate and biological and about men being “naturally” masculine (i.e., pushy bullies, even if they do it nicely) and women being “naturally” feminine (i.e., the pushed, even if once in a while men throw us a dog biscuit and let us make a few decisions to keep us happy). They agree so much, in fact, that they have decided that a person who exhibits feminine tendencies MUST be a woman even if they were born male.

    I don’t know why you are so offended at the transgender movement. It’s the logical conclusion of what too many Christians think about the role of men and women. Iran, which is even more conservative about sex and gender than you are, is now forcing its gay population to transition on pain of death. This is where the idea that behavior should match genitals has taken us.

    If you don’t like it, maybe it’s time to reconsider why you probably think things like “women shouldn’t be soldiers” even though no one operates an M16 with their penis. The only time behavior expectations should be applied to physical sex is when they have to do with the person’s reproductive capacity. For instance, we wouldn’t expect a man to give birth (and one hasn’t yet, whatever the transactivists have to say about “transmen”) nor a man to breastfeed. Those are reasonable societal expectations.

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  12. Bruce is not a Hero. He killed someone one in his car and did not accept responsibility for it, He claims he was always a woman trapped in a mans body but had no problems having sex with women and having children that he wasn’t a good father too. He’s had multiple wives and divorces, and left his one wife due to an affair while she was sick with cancer. He allows his children to be exploited by their “mom” and she created reality tv puppets out of them. His last attempt at a “family” created shallow superficial, narcissistic vapid beasts that we are FORCED to be exposed to every day on EVERY media outlet, and last but not least, allows his underage daughters to be sexually objectified for profit and allows his 16 year old daughter to date and publicly admit to having sex with a “gangster rapper” who’s MANY years her senior…. Hero? You’ve got to be kidding me?

    • It is clear that there are those who have set the bar so low…that anyone or anything can become a “hero”.

    • For the record, why should a transgender woman”have trouble having sex with a woman”? Some trans women are straight, some are gay (just like biological women). Sexual orientation is totally separate from being trans.

      • Hilary:

        Bruce has stated that he is not gay. Yet, if we believe that he has always been a woman in disguise…then he is a homosexual as well.

      • If so, Caitlin would not be the first LGBT person to conduct her love/sex life in a way that conforms with societal norms, despite her personal orientation.

      • “Personal Orientation”, “Lifestyle Choice”, “Gender Identification”, “Sexual Orientation”, etcetera…are nothing more than grandiose terminologies and sanitized euphemisms that have been crafted to imply normality, all-the-while concealing their depraved nature.

      • I don’t know who uses the terms “personal orientation” and “lifestyle choice”. Those are certainly not phrases I would utilize, nor the majority of LGBT folks.

    • Hilary Hultman-Lee says:
      July 17, 2015 at 2:04 PM

      “If so, Caitlin would not be the first LGBT person to conduct her love/sex life in a way that conforms with societal norms, despite her personal orientation.”

      C.J. Sledgehammer says:
      July 17, 2015 at 7:17 PM

      “Personal Orientation”, “Lifestyle Choice”, “Gender Identification”, “Sexual Orientation”, etcetera…are nothing more than grandiose terminologies and sanitized euphemisms that have been crafted to imply normality, all-the-while concealing their depraved nature.

      Hilary Hultman-Lee says:
      July 17, 2015 at 7:44 PM

      “I don’t know who uses the terms “personal orientation” and “lifestyle choice”. Those are certainly not phrases I would utilize, nor the majority of LGBT folks.”

      greatmom55 says:
      July 17, 2015 at 8:23 PM

      “CJ just makes it up as he goes along, Hilary.”

      To Hilary and GM55:

      I hate to rain on your gay parade, but you are beginning to sound like an argumentative and dishonest duet, who will say anything in order to escalate an argument or derail an honest debate – by deriding your opposition and saying just about anything…regardless of its merit.

      Case in point: If you revisit the first post above, you will see that Hilary used the term “personal orientation” to describe “Caitlin’s” position, but in trying to rebuff my reply, she resorted to deception and disinformation by retorting, “I don’t know who uses the terms ‘personal orientation’ and ‘lifestyle choice’. Those are certainly not phrases I would utilize, nor the majority of LGBT folks.”

      And so it goes.

      • In that case, I was using personal as an adjective to describe the noun orientation, (as in “how Caitlin is [she, herself] personally oriented”. This does not make it a common-use phrase (such as “sexual orientation”), merely a one a time confluence.

  13. Ahhhh, the hate, judgement, and bigotry of Christians. Makes the task of being an outspoken atheist so much easier. You simply shame yourselves.

  14. Ahhhh, the hate, judgement, and bigotry of Christians. Makes the task of being an outspoken atheist and anti-theist so much easier. You simply shame yourselves.

  15. So if a trangendered man marries a Transgendered woman and one discovers that he or she is gay, would they divorce? Would the Transgendered man be lesbian?

    • A trans man attracted to women is considered straight. A trans man attracted to men is considered gay. Sexuality and sexual orientation are different and unrelated.

      • I don’t see what’s ridiculous about emotion, biology, and culture.

      • I don’t think Hilary can see because she is spiritually blind. It is sad, but after many years of wayward thought and standing in opposition to Godliness…she seems to be in possession of a “worthless mind.” She is intelligent and well educated, but her mind seems to have lost its ability to reason, hence wisdom is seen as foolishness and Godliness is seen as folly. I pray I am wrong, but as long as she draws breath…there is still hope.

        Best wishes and be well – C.J. Sledgehammer

      • CJ Sludgemiser, there is no one on this site more spiritually blind than you and those who think like you. YOU are the master of wayward thought and you have chosen to pretend you know God while throwing stones and spitting words of HATE to your fellow man to include your own family if need be.

        This is the epitome of worthlessness. When your aquaintenances, friends and even FAMILY are rejected by you, I WILL BE THE ONE THERE TO ACCEPT THEM and bring them closer to God while you judge and turn your back on them.

        No one should give your words any value. You have proven yourself to be unworthy of God’s true inspiration. There’s always hope but I’m not counting on it. You appear to be too far gone.

        Why don’t YOU try to be well?? You certainly need it.

      • Majority:

        By calling me “CJ Sludgemiser”, telling me to “SHUT UP”, and by making other disparaging remarks – did it ever occur to you that your intolerant words, defamation of character, and hate speech may send me into a deep depression, cause me to run away from home, or force me to commit suicide?

        Honestly…they just don’t make “ascended masters” the way they used to.

      • CJ thinks he has some insight into my biography and my outlook. He does not.

      • Hilary:

        “CJ thinks he has some insight into my biography and my outlook. He does not.” – Hilary

        Au contraire, my dear. Many things can be gleaned from one’s writings and even more can be ascertained through debate. Truth be told, you have already revealed a great deal about your character. Fact is…if your character is flawed, your biography and outlook will follow suit – so I needn’t waste my time on the particulars.

        It is important to note, however, that our loving Heavenly Father has offered each of us forgiveness and redemption through His only begotten Son, Christ Yeshua (Jesus). So, no matter how twisted our path has been, He can make straight our path and make us into a new creation. “Behold…I make all things new.” – Christ Yeshua (Revelation 21:5)

        For our Heavenly Father’s only begotten Son has declared:

        “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This, then, is the judgment: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and will not come into the Light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.” – John 3:16-21

  16. heroes are the men and women who sacrifice all to give others their freedom they are also people that risk their lives to save other religion should not enter into it Bruce Jenner is no hero just a man that became a half woman

    • But he is not even a half woman. He is a man with intact genitals wearing a dress. Laughable that ESPY honored him as a hero! Geez…with some Kleenex, a shave, wig and a dress I could be a hero!

      • Your comment exemplifies why coming out as trans can be considered an act of bravery.

      • If I carve out a pumpkin and pull it over my head, am I a pumpkin? Would I have “civil rights” as a pumpkin? Would other pumpkins accept me?

      • Your comment is ignorant, belittling, and ridiculous. It is a further example of the case in point and of an attitude that contributes to depression, homelessness, and suicide for LGBT youth.

      • Mustafa:

        Indeed. There are those on this blog who would swear that if you grafted a flowing tail on a pig (who identified with horses), placed a bit in its mouth, and tossed a saddle on its back – you would have a genuine Thoroughbred.

        Yet, when dealing with people of this nature it is good to remember the eloquent words of Albert Einstein, as he pondered the dunces among us. His words were, “The difference between stupidity and genius…is that genius has its limits.”

        Best wishes and be well

      • There’s a lot of people on this blog who don’t agree with me about a lot of things. I’m not depressed about it, I am not going to end up homeless and I’m not going to commit suicide. I mean I am literally laughing my ass off at the NONSENSE that is being displayed as reason on here.

        So if someone doesn’t validate every decision you make and every belief you have, you’re going to commit suicide and it’s THEIR fault?

        Half the people on here should be dead by now.

      • You are fecetiously comparing two things that are not analagous (having a difference of opinion on one issue in a single instance vs. living everyday with the message that you as a human being are unacceptable and unworthy).

      • There is nothing facetious about my argument and it is completely analogous. A man acting like a woman when he is not and saying he identifies as a woman is a false idea that exists in his head but nowhere else in reality.

        Further, Rachel Dolezal is not black. She and those like you who insist that she is can spew all the emotive garbage that you want, but it doesn’t make it so. She lives with her lie everyday of her life. Her parents refuse to agree with her or “accept” what she is insisting, therefore she will not longer speak to them.

        Ms. Dolezal is the one who won’t accept herself. Not me. I accept her as what she is, and she will get that in abundance from those of us who love the truth.

        Rachel Dolezal may blame others for deeming her unacceptable and unworthy but she is the one who has decided that, not anyone else.

      • I already posted but, who is to judge on earth and in everyone else’s supposed heaven? We have government to judge on earth so we can only go by that. This is really off topic, but if some one commits murder or another serious crime, should just let them out of jail and tell them they will be judged and punished by god when they die (priest molesting-raping children) ? Yeah, a lot of governments are bad and a few good but I have not seen a power of attorney form signed and dated, also notarized – giving some one the voice and instructions to say what gods wants, oh, the bible, please….. don’t get me started.

  17. Illuminating Truth – really?! At least some attempt to research the truth regarding the science of sex, gender, and sexuality would be appropriate before expounding your negative (and damning) opinions regarding the lives of others. Your ignorance is quite far from the illumination you think you are providing.

    • Wonderful and on point post, Sandra. I continue to be amazed at professed Christians expressing such hostility for fellow human beings with no attempt at understanding the issues at hand. CJ, in particular, exhibits such shallowness of thought it boggles the mind. Thank you for succinctly summing it up so nicely.

    • Ellen, you are mistaken. I have not expressed hostility towards anyone and if you can find that I have, I’d like to see the quote. I’ve expressed sadness that most people who call themselves Christians are so totally unaware of what God would ask of them in this situation, but I’ve neve been hostile towards them. Perhaps you should read more carefully. Have a good day.

  18. I will be bombarded by other opinions, but must ask, there are benefits to who or what you are, for example: married, single, divorced, widowed, male, female, have children. Where or who gives those benefits? Federal, state, county governments? Or does god give those benefits? Well, when filing your tax return, it is the IRS or when completing a will, it is state and federal, or your local attorney completing, filing and following “the law”. If god is the final judge of what we do on earth, we need protection on earth, right? Who gets the final say on earth? Well, as I have been seeing, it is the local and national government. We need laws, on earth, to protect the people on earth, and unless we get a direct message from god for what to do, we must protect EVERYONE on earth. Your opinion, does not give some one social security to a spouse when that person dies or when that person fights and dies for our county dies or gets injured, any rights to support or benefits. If you are going to speak for god, I would like to see a power of attorney form signed and date, also.notarized. Our justice system is based on law, order, facts that can be proven and equal treatment. Also, whose god are you following? Me, don’t believe at all. Treat everyone the same, never heard a nonbeliever say die or convert. I am sure, if I could examine your life, you are not following the “true” rules of any god. Everyone just picks and chooses what suites them and their own goals. Since, I am on a roll, do you pray to charge your cell phone or to get your vehicle tank full of fuel? No, you work 40 hours and pay money to do it. I live and see facts, not mindless dribble that controls people who don’t think for themselves.

  19. Here we go again with another justification from the bible so that people who cannot think can find their answers to complex issues. Doing that just turns you into a “good Christian robot” without the ability to feel anything for fellow human beings. The number one and most important lesson that Jesus taught us is to love and feel compassion for one and on that first lesson you have failed miserably. If you drop all smugness, ego and sense of entitlement because you are a “good Christian” and start to really understand what Jesus stood for, you will contribute to make the world a better place. Right now you’re a detriment.

    • Lynn:

      I’m not sure cheering on a man who puts on a dress or lending your support to a man who thinks he’s a woman…is productive, helpful, friendly, moral, decent, or loving.

      “The number one and most important lesson that Jesus taught us is to love and feel compassion for one and on that first lesson you have failed miserably.” – Lynn

      If I am not mistaken, Christ talked more frequently about the serious nature of hell and the perils and pitfalls of loving money…than He did about loving thy neighbor. Truth is…many people are willing to “love thy neighbor” unto death – without ever warning them of calamity, if it means they never have to roll up their sleeves and take a stand.

      “If you drop all smugness, ego and sense of entitlement because you are a “good Christian” and start to really understand what Jesus stood for, you will contribute to make the world a better place. Right now you’re a detriment.” – Lynn (referring to Emily)

      Please refer to paragraph number one and take it to heart.

      • So, CJ, your comments beg the question precisely what you WOULD do should one of your chlidren or another loved one identify as gay, transgender, etc. Would you treat them with the ridicule and judgment you’ve exhibited here? If you can truthfully say that you would bully your own child with the words you’ve posted over and over here, then you really need to search your heart for your real motives. Again, it makes one wonder where your intense fear of these sexual identity issues comes from. Food for thought, CJ, food for thought….

      • GreatMom55:

        “So, CJ, your comments beg the question precisely what you WOULD do should one of your children or another loved one identify as gay, transgender, etc. Would you treat them with the ridicule and judgment you’ve exhibited here?” – GM55

        I am a compassionate man who loves his neighbors and will even go out of my way to warn them if their house is on fire or is in jeopardy of catching on fire. Because I do not believe in anarchy and cannot count on the U.S. Supreme Court to render wise, just, or moral decisions, I must solely lean upon the Word of God to set the ethical parameters, Godly standards, and moral principles that humanity ought to follow.

        So, if one of my children (hypothetically) forsook his upbringing, got stupid, turned his back on God, adopted a worthless mind, ran after carnal desires, thus lusting after his own kind…I would treat him no different than a heterophobic neighbor who is in jeopardy of fire (but can be saved), thus the message would be the same. Why? Because I follow the Word of God and not my own moral code.

        “If you can truthfully say that you would bully your own child with the words you’ve posted over and over here, then you really need to search your heart for your real motives.” – GM55

        By the same token, madam, you ought to scrutinize your motivation for tolerating and supporting such a perverted, delusional, disturbing, harmful and shameful group of behaviorisms, in your fellow man (and woman). In my opinion…you live by a reckless code and lack a moral compass – making you a danger to society.

        “Again, it makes one wonder where your intense fear of these sexual identity issues comes from.” – GM55

        My fear, madam, comes from a Loving Father and Holy Book that sees LGBT as an infectious disease that leads to death (somewhat like Ebola, but with eternal implications). What boggles my mind and confuses my senses is how you can tolerate, support, promote, and celebrate such disgusting, pathetic, harmful, perverted, sinful, and shameful “lifestyles”…without even batting an eye or losing sleep. I truly fear for your soul.

      • I think you have your answer, Greatmom (to wit, that his child would be out there with the 40% of homeless youth who are LGBT and the 35% of LGBT people who have attempted suicide).

      • Hilary:

        “I think you have your answer, Greatmom (to wit, that his child would be out there with the 40% of homeless youth who are LGBT and the 35% of LGBT people who have attempted suicide).” – Hilary

        Hilary, you have got to be one of the most argumentative and disingenuous people I have ever encountered. The things you say and the things you stand for, well, they’re simply shameful.

        For your information, madam, I am not responsible for the 40% of homeless LGBT youth or the 35% who have attempted suicide. One would think that if this was such a healthy way of life, one would not see such inner turmoil and distress from within this demographic. But, as it is…these are tragic lifestyles with tragic numbers to match.

        Perhaps the truth of the matter is that with your prodding and support (and people like you), you helped nudge these troubled youth into precarious water that was over their heads, and then conveniently wash your hands of any wrongdoing….as you watch them drift out of reach and drown.

        Truly…an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

      • I’m disingenuous and argumentative?
        ‘Argumentative’ I will grant you, but it must apply to yourself as well (obviously).

      • Oh CJ, you are so wrong. I know it’s not my place to judge and I won’t, but I see you in flames and I can’t help but empathize. You’re wrong wrong wrong. So young, way too young and before you hurt your own, you need to learn to shut up. SHUT UP. I mean that with the utmost respect, seriously; not for your lost words, but for the wayward energy you posess. I love you and I want to see you prosperous, but as you may think your position wins favor, I must inform you that you have lost ALL FAVOR. I’m sorry. Until you earn some education and spiritual guidance which you obviously dont have
        STOP HURTING PEOPLE WITH MISGUIDED, UNAPPROVED JUDGEMENTS and start trying to support people.
        You have failed, Sir, you have failed!!!!!

      • You shouldn’t be speaking……AT ALL. Neither should many people on this blog. You only regurgitate. You’re regurgitating words and phrases that may not have even meant what you THINK they meant or WANT them to mean. SHUT UP before someone gets hurt from your ignorant words. SHUT UP before REAL PEOPLE feel so rejected that they take their own lives or withdraw into a seclusion that is unnecessary.
        Stop representing HATE and start representing God who loves NO MATTER WHAT.
        You have proven yourself to be NOT OF GOD.

        To all who are listening. GOD LOVES ALL. God does not hate. Don’t listen to those who spit words and verses of hate. Period.

      • Majority:

        “SHUT UP before someone gets hurt from your ignorant words. SHUT UP before REAL PEOPLE feel so rejected that they take their own lives or withdraw into a seclusion that is unnecessary.” – Majority

        So…let me get this straight: You want me to “SHUT UP”, go away, and never return, because if I don’t…”real people” are going to get hurt and may take their own lives?

        Hmm…I honestly did not know that I had so much influence and power. If this is true, then perhaps I should leave this blog and run for President.

        Majority, if I thought you actually knew our Heavenly Father and His beloved Son…you would have my ear, but as it is, I am fairly adept at pinpointing spiritual charlatans, so you are wasting your time on me.

        Please know that I heard your passionate plea, but at the end of the day you just don’t seem to have anything of substance to say, so I am sorry to say that your request has fallen on deaf ears.

        “To all who are listening. GOD LOVES ALL. God does not hate. Don’t listen to those who spit words and verses of hate. Period.” – Majority

        To say that “God loves all” is just another fabrication of the truth, and, for the record, I have not said anything even remotely close to “hate”. If you think the Word of God is hate speech…well, take it up with Him.

        For the record:

        Proverbs 6:16-19 states:

        “There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to Him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.”

        And, by the way, Majority, if God was ONLY loving, then we would not have to worry about 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, which states:

        “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.”

        You see, your twisted “cotton candy” theology ONLY makes concessions for a loving, albeit unjust god – who does not keep His promises, who does not punish sin, who does not meet unrighteousness with wrath, who does not render justice to the innocent or rich rewards to the redeemed.

        I am afraid the god you speak of is not found in Holy Scripture, but the twisted theology that guides your life is truly a doctrine of deceit and a doctrine of devils.

      • First off, this blog should be more appropriately named “Illuminating Hate”.

        CJ you are nothing more than toddler babble. A little thing that is learning to speak and so you jabber away. The more you guys talk, the more you show how much you don’t know.

        #1: Homosexuality is not new. It was created by our God to control the population. Not every human and/or animal on this earth was created to produce offspring. To try to eradicate them is against God’s purpose and the end result would be over population. God created Adam & Eve to populate the world. That was their purpose. He also created other variations and they too have a special purpose.

        #2: You can say the Bible was written by God or Jesus, inspired by God or Jesus, etc, but here’s the fact….the books of the Bible were written by men, not Angels or Spirits, but ordinary men (how many is unknown) who conveniently elevated themselves. They were humans with a purpose to deliver their messages (propaganda if you will) they felt would inspire and control people. (Just as you are allowing them to control you). They said they were inspired by God as a way to give the books credibility which would encourage more people to follow their teachings. Just like other good authors, the Bible does have some inspiring moments, but since it was written by men, it also has many many serious flaws. Thank you for exploiting them so perfectly in this blog.

        Fact. What you are quoting and continue to quote is not the word of God, it is the word of men. The only way for you to know this, is to actually connect with God so He can enlighten you Himself. But as long as you allow yourself to be controlled, you will continue to be nothing more than a puppet that reads and regurgitates.

        By the way, just as the terrorists believe it is okay to kill people, even their own wives and daughters in the name of Allah (and everyone else can see how absolutely ridulous this idea is); you and your cronies have also taken your hatefilled scripture, that was written by another man, to an extreme and made it clear you would prefer to preach harm and hate upon those who are different, rather than love and acceptance. There are many of us who can also see how ridiculous you look and sound with that message. No doubt you are a heterosexual man. The Bible makes you feel like a King. It was created to do that. Enjoy your Kingdom of shame.

        When you make it into the next phase of your journey, I hope to be one of the ones there to greet you. You will know me immediately. This blog will be forgotten.

      • CJ, my response to you here is no different that I’ve explained before. You really should consider ceasing the regurgitation of what a man told you God said and start trying to find God on your own. I know what the Bible says. I’ve read it. It was a requirement in my household growing up. Not only was it a huge highly recognized accomplishment to read it front to back, but to also be able to recite passages. I was raised in a very strict Southern Baptist Church. My Father is the leader of that church and a song/youth Minister to this day. I am very well versed in what the Bible scriptures say. My research on the Bible was ignited by the fact that I found numerous and ongoing contradictions within those pages and my family as well as the church preferred to ignore them; whereas, I wanted to understand them. I also innately knew my Creator and my purpose from a very early age and when I read these words and heard sermons about the words, I became increasingly aware something was terribly amiss.

        I do believe it was written for a positive purpose and I do believe the men who wrote it were good men, but I can assure you that if Jesus (or God) had written the Bible, it would have been much shorter and it would have been a peaceful book full of love, support and acceptance as He is and was while He was here. If you were to concentrate on the positive things the Bible says and ignore the obvious flaws (because all men have flaws) then you would be spreading word that is beneficial and productive. Anything that alienates or harms people (mentally, emotionally or physically) is not the word of God, but the words of the men who wrote it.

        Oh, and I thought Sludgemiser was creative. But I’d like to correct it to CJ Slegurgitater. I like that one better. ha! 🙂 Good Day Sir and Godspeed.

      • “Oh, and I thought Sludgemiser was creative. But I’d like to correct it to CJ Slegurgitater. I like that one better. ha! ” – Majority

        This will have to be our last communique, because I have neither the time nor the desire to exchange infantile remarks. From this point on, I will no longer entertain your sophomoric barbs and immature jabs.

        For a moment in time…I thought you had something of substance to say, but, upon further review, you have proven yourself to be nothing more than a self-promoting troll – with too much time on your hands.

      • Awwww, CJ. I would say Im sorry, but Im not. Ive read too many of your hateful, judgemental, narrowminded, isolating comments and frankly it’s infuriating. It’s people like yourself (and those who have aligned themselves with you) that create more problems than help. You have no right to judge anyone for any reason and that comes straight from the Book you claim to worship. You want to present yourself as a Christian and recite verses that fit your own immediate agenda and ignore the verses that don’t. I wish there was a better way to help you, I really do. But until you recognize how wrong your approach is, nothing anyone says will help. Sad, very sad. It’s too bad that at the point when you finally realize how wrong you are/were, you’ve done irreparable damage. Just a toddler…..

        Oh, and you would more closely fit the “having too much time on your hands” comment since you post continuously. I, on the other hand cannot, due to the fact that I am the VP of Operations for the 4th largest development company in the US and don’t have time to follow this daily.

        Good Day Sir and Godspeed.

      • To ALL who are homosexual or transgendered, PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN OR PAY ATTENTION TO THIS BLOG. It has many responders who are LOST and want to see you FAIL because they cannot identify directly with God and they don’t know how to THINK. They are the MINORITY and they have not been HERE long enough to understand the TRUTH. Please don’t listen to ignorance!!. Please don’t pay attention to HATE. Know that you are accepted and a part of God’s PLAN.

        God loves you!!!!!! Ignore those who try to tell you differently. I can assure you with direct connection and confidence that you are part of a much bigger plan. You ARE NOT sinners, you ARE GOD’S CHILDREN and HE LOVES YOU even when other children disagree.

        YOU continue to be YOU. LOVE who you ARE! Don’t turn from God bcs of stupidity. You were created in his image and you deserve to be here just as everyone else does.

        Find support and don’t listen to the thumpers who try to quote verses. They are not delivering you the truth. IGNORE! IGNORE! IGNORE!

      • Perhaps if you were to find your moral compass, you could be known as “The Moral Majority”,

        I don’t know…I think it has a nice ring to it, but give it some thought and get back to me.

      • “To ALL who are homosexual or transgendered, PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN OR PAY ATTENTION TO THIS BLOG.” – Majority

        Yes, but what about those of us who are neither transgendered or heterophobic…can we still tune in to this blog with your approval?

        Majority, you really need to sit down, take a deep breath, and then take a long look at yourself. On one hand you seem to be the Pied Piper of Perversion, while on the other hand you are a false witness and Biblical heretic. Your message is neither Biblical nor Godly, which means you have succumbed to the spirit of error and have been seduced by doctrines of demons. You hold no power here.

      • Sorry, CJ, but you can’t have it both ways. If your Bible thumping can save LGBT youth, then your bitterness and hateful words can destroy them. You can’t be both the problem and the solution at the same time.

      • GreatMom55:

        “Sorry, CJ, but you can’t have it both ways. If your Bible thumping can save LGBT youth, then your bitterness and hateful words can destroy them. You can’t be both the problem and the solution at the same time.” – GM55

        For the record, I am neither bitter nor filled with hate. That is the “spin”, propaganda, and political tactic you (and others) have used to shame me into compliance, steal my voice, while inciting others to attack me.

        Truth be known, I have never attacked an LGBT practitioner. I have, however, described their behavior as I would a house that is on fire or should be condemned. Our Heavenly Father and Mother Nature condemn these behaviors, yet offer the practitioners forgiveness and redemption, should they turn from these destructive “lifestyles”.

        Fact is, the Word of God is a reliable guide that paints an accurate picture of the human condition, predicted the outcome of future events (with great certainty) for an entire millennium, grants fair-warning to all those who willfully violate and live contrary to God’s Word, renders Authoritative judgment on certain human behaviors, not to mention coming equipped with the recipe for pleasing our Creator and walking happily with His Son. So, when it comes to instruction manuals, “self-help” books and history lessons – the Bible is the “have-all, end-all”.

        I have said all of this in order to lay the foundation on why I disagree with your opening declaration, “…you can’t have it both ways.”

        Indeed…I can use the Word of God to warn others to steer-clear of a condemned structure and then use that same Word to help those who are already trapped inside – to find their way to safety, if they are so inclined.

        One of the differences between you and me is that you do not seem to acknowledge danger for what it is or you flat-out deny its reality. So, if humans were houses and we happened upon a dwelling that had flames shooting from its chimney and smoke billowing from its windows – you would deny the danger, compliment the oblivious inhabitant on his/her lovely home, and then go on your merry way without lifting a finger or raising a voice of concern.

        I, on the other hand, would recognize fire as an immediate danger as described in my “Home-Owner’s Handbook and Fire Suppression Training Manual (Holy Bible). Out of love, concern, and compassion for my neighbor, I would try to rouse the oblivious occupant by using reason, discernment, and through the use of strong words and colorful imagery (if necessary). I would then attempt to douse the structure with the Water of Life, in order to extinguish the flames or buy the tenant enough time to find the Light and safely exit the burning inferno.

        You then have the audacity to label my efforts as “hateful” and my motivation as “bitterness”, while defining your indifference as “love” and your negligence as supportive.

      • Hilary:

        “Use the Bible, if you must, but don’t drag nature into this” – Hilary

        If Nature could speak…it would tell you that homosexuality is an error that is earmarked for death. Mother Nature has been given instructions through our Heavenly Father, hence she will not suffer fools lightly.

        Now, here’s an interesting experiment: Rent out the Hawaiian Islands to isolate Earth’s lesbian population for 75 years (and Madagascar for the gay boys), and then allow Nature to run its course.

        Please keep in mind that since our Heavenly Father and Mother Nature will not allow homosexuals to replicate their error through breeding…the homosexual lobby must recruit and indoctrinate its membership in order to increase its numbers and thrive.

        Therefore, in order to test Mother Nature’s resolve, we must remove the artificial “lifelines” of contemporary homosexuality, hence television, print media, legislation, sperm banks, gay adoption and the aggressive indoctrination and recruitment of children through the public school system – will be closed-off to them.

        I bring “Nature” into this, Hilary, because given the chance…she will eradicate your friends from the face of the earth. Keep in mind that Nature is a living system that rewards the “strong” and targets the “weak”. Since the disorder of homosexuality is an inferior and unnatural “lifestyle”…it will be discarded through her filtering process in the same way she rids herself from other pollutants and impurities.

        “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper…” – Romans 1:26-28

      • If such is the case, then why does same-sex sexual behavior occur in dozens, if not hundreds, of species? And why is there evidence that there may be unknown evolutionary advantages to this behavior? The argument that “homosexuals” are non-breeders and therefore evolutionarily unfit is completely disprovable, in large part because sexuality is a spectrum, not a binary.

        That said, homosexuality is a separate issue from transgenderism (although gender is also a spectrum, not a binary).

      • @Hilary

        Your two questions spring from flawed assumptions.
        You ask, “If such is the case, then why does same-sex sexual behavior occur in dozens, if not hundreds, of species?” Your first assumption is that human and animal life are the same. You don’t observe the obvious difference between human beings and animals? Also, there are animal species that eat their young. Do you believe this justifies this practice among humans? Perhaps now you see why I point out the obvious difference between human beings and animals.

        In your second question you ask, “And why is there evidence that there may be unknown evolutionary advantages to this behavior?”, and now the reason why you ask the first question is obvious. Your second assumption is that human beings and animals evolved. There is no evidence for Darwinism Hillary. To prove my point I will ask you a very simple question. There are feline kinds (kittens, tigers), canine kinds (coyotes, various breeds of domesticated dogs), human kind (us), etc. Darwin said that there would be a change of kinds over many years. Can you give me one example of observable evidence of a change of kinds?

        Just so you recognize my point of view, there is abundant scientific evidence for microevolution; there is zero evidence for macroevolution.

      • Since humans are members of the animal kingdom, I do recognize humans as animals.

        Why do you assume that evolution must be Darwinian? There are many schools of evolutionary thought which owe little to Darwin (though much to his contemporaries who also developed the theory).

      • @Hilary Hultman-Lee

        In your question to me you seem to make a point and then refute your own point before your done making it, “There are many schools of evolutionary thought which owe little to Darwin (though much to his contemporaries who also developed the theory).” There are many schools of thought who owe little to Darwin but much to his contemporaries who developed the theory. You used the definite article “the” to describe the theory, which is obviously making reference to Darwin’s theory.

        I don’t know, we can parse words Hilary Hultman-Lee, I understand I think, the point you were trying to make but you dodged answering my original question. And I acknowledge there are many schools of thought on evolutionary thought. I’m not sure what that has to do with my point or with my question.

        My challenge to Hilary was can you give me one example of observable evidence of a change of kinds?

      • My point was that one does not have to believe Darwin verbatim to believe in evolution. You are asking me a question that pertains to Darwinism – since I am not espousing a Darwinian point of view, it is irrelevant.

      • @Hilary
        Are you the same person as Hilary-Hultman-Lee?

        Here is the original post I responded to,
        “If such is the case, then why does same-sex sexual behavior occur in dozens, if not hundreds, of species? And why is there evidence that there may be unknown evolutionary advantages to this behavior? The argument that “homosexuals” are non-breeders and therefore evolutionarily unfit is completely disprovable, in large part because sexuality is a spectrum, not a binary.
        That said, homosexuality is a separate issue from transgenderism (although gender is also a spectrum, not a binary).”

        You will note the words “evolutionary” and “evolutionarily” are used by Hilary. She/you chose those words not me. As you know, pretty much every school of evolutionary thought assume that species change over time Hilary, thus the term “evolution.”

        You state, “My point was that one does not have to believe Darwin verbatim to believe in evolution. You are asking me a question that pertains to Darwinism – since I am not espousing a Darwinian point of view, it is irrelevant.”

        Fine Hillary, you don’t believe in Darwin verbatim, we got it. My question actually applies to Darwinism as well as any school of evolutionary thought that believes that one kind changes to another over time. So it is of course entirely relevant since you believe in evolution. Now that we have the angels carefully balanced on the head of the pin, I will ask the question again.

        Can you give me one example of observable evidence of a change of kinds?
        Just so you understand, I am not asking you to delineate your particular strand of evolutionary belief.

        Also, I have to infer from your statement that humans are animals that you don’t see any obvious distinction between human beings and animals. Which means you do take your cues from the animal kingdom for how humans are to behave, am I correct? It was you/Hilary that made the reference to other species when it comes to same-sex behavior.

      • That is indeed me, and I am myself.

        Certainly we do not take our cues from other members of the animal kingdom. But CJ’s post (to which I was responding) suggested that same-sex sexual behavior is unnatural. This is patently untrue. Whether or not it should be engaged in…this is a different question, but CJ has conflated the two issues (whether it is natural and whether it should be discouraged).

        As to your question about evolution, I suspect that your belief (or lack thereof) depends on the word “observable”, since I have had many anti-evolutionists tell me that the fossil record and DNA evidence from evolutionary biologists do not count as “observable” (or similar verbiage). Certainly I find the research of Darwin himself, the experiments of Mendel, the backward chain of mRna, etc to be compelling support for evolution.

      • @ Hilary

        I think C.J. actually referenced a great argument when he quoted the apostle Paul. I have always been fascinated by Paul’s argument in Romans 1 because often he quotes the Old Testament to explain and unpack what he is saying to us in the New Testament. But when discussing the specific issue of homosexuality he doesn’t’ appeal to Scripture, he appeals to nature.

        The bible itself makes a distinction between what God reveals in nature (science) and what He reveals in Scripture, so I just find it fascinating that he speaks this way in Romans 1.

        You say you believe that humans are animals and asked C.J why same-sex behavior occurs in dozens, if not hundreds of species. Then you responded to me by saying that we certainly do not take our cues from animals. I don’t exactly understand why you are making reference to it then.

        Regarding my question about evolution, my belief does depend on observable evidence because as I’m sure you are aware, the scientific method requires observable evidence.

        You referenced Darwin, Mendel, etc. Could you be specific? Can you give me one example of a change in kinds?

      • I responded in that way to CJ because he suggested that transgenderism and same-sex sexuality are “unnatural”. Since these behaviors occur in many species, they are, by definition, natural.

        You ask me to demonstrate a change in “kinds”. Since this is not a recognized scientific term in this context, I assume you are relying on the false assumption that macroevolution and macroevolution are demonstrably different (and that one may exist, while the other does not, thus aiding a literal creationist worldview).

      • I assume you meant microevolution and macroevolution. Fascinating isn’t it how I am able to understand your meaning and don’t pretend that I don’t?

        I am aware of the scientific terms as you are aware of my meaning. To prevent you from dodging my question as you did I said “There are feline kinds (kittens, tigers), canine kinds (coyotes, various breeds of domesticated dogs), human kind (us), etc.” Really it’s not that difficult Hillary. Based on how I phrased the question you should have been able to hit a line-drive right into my face by now with your answer, figuratively speaking.

        It is obvious that you accept this idea of yours on blind faith. You do realize that not everyone shares this religion of yours especially when there is absolutely no evidence to support it whatsoever?

        The reason why I put my finger on this is it demonstrates why you are unable to say anything that makes sense about Bruce Jenner. Your words are like beautifully arranged flowers…that aren’t rooted in anything.

      • Typos aside, everything I have said about transgenderism and evolution is based in science (both hard and social), i.e.research utilizing the scientific method.

        I did not respond to your “kinds” question directly, because it was unclear to me what specifically you are asking. Are you looking for evidence of change WITHIN kinds or change ACROSS kinds? In either case, I highly recommend Richard Dawkins’ discussion of “concestors” in The Ancestors Tale.

      • @Hilary

        Changes within kinds or changes across kinds are not scientific terms. I used the terms macroevolution and microevolution. But, alas, it is clear you know what I meant. I acknowledged that there is abundant scientific evidence for microevolution.

        According to the scientific method, we should have repeatable experiments to prove such things are true. Where is it?
        If you have no repeatable experiments for these ideas, they’re not science. Interesting ideas perhaps, but not science. Debatable? Sure. But not science. Evolution builds upon these ideas a priori simply because the theory requires it. Have any of these ideas ever been observed? No they have not.

        The truth is that the theory of evolution doesn’t obey other scientific laws. Case in point: the 2nd Law of thermodynamics. You will note that I said “law”. This law is empirical, observable and proven. It is also universal. Basically the law states that everything in the universe is going from order to disorder. When you buy a new car it doesn’t get newer and newer. The only way to overcome this law is to supply energy and information from the outside. The decay a car or anything else experiences can be overcome by being repaired, or by supplying energy and information from the outside.

        The theory of evolution militates against this law because you have the simple going to the complex, and that unguided. Theistic evolutionists at least believe and recognize the fact that such a thing cannot happen without energy and information being supplied from the outside. But there is still no evidence for this, so they are less wrong than you, but still wrong.

        It is because of your false religion of evolution which has no evidential support whatsoever, that you actually believe that we are evolving when our culture embraces behaviors like homosexuality and so-called transgenderism. It is also why you look to the animal kingdom for your belief that humans should engage in this practice. As I stated before, there are animals that eat their young, so following your line of thinking this should be a legitimate practice for humans as well. Animals live by the law of the claw. The strong devour the weak. It’s nature. So it appears that you and Hitler have some things in common, at least as far as your beliefs go.

        You see what I am doing? I am examining the source of your idea and I am also examining its outcome. It’s like a thread, that if you pull on the whole thing becomes unraveled. I guess you are not used to pulling on the threads of your own ideas, nor are you used to others pulling on them.

      • At what specific point does “microevolution” become “macroevolution”?

      • I made the comment about those not being scientific terms tongue-in-cheek. At no point does microevolution become macroevolution. The question pertains to your point of view, not to mine.

        Just so you know I am open minded to evidence, even though I believe in the obvious fact of creation, I don’t believe the earth or universe are six thousand years old. I see no evidence of that in either natural revelation or special revelation (Scripture). The dating methods are disputed by some Christians but I don’t see any reason to doubt them.

      • Mav:

        “Fascinating isn’t it how I am able to understand your meaning and don’t pretend that I don’t?

        Really it’s not that difficult Hillary. Based on how I phrased the question you should have been able to hit a line-drive right into my face by now with your answer, figuratively speaking.” – Mav

        This is precisely why I have referred to Hilary as one of the most “disingenuous” people I have ever met. For being such an educated woman – she sure knows how to play dumb when she wants to.

        “The reason why I put my finger on this is it demonstrates why you (Hilary) are unable to say anything that makes sense about Bruce Jenner. Your words are like beautifully arranged flowers…that aren’t rooted in anything.” – Mav

        I agree with everything you have said, Mav, and I like the way you think, but are Hilary’s words really that beautiful? In my mind, they are as lovely as a chaotic conglomeration of noxious weeds and thistles…”that aren’t rooted in anything.”

        Best wishes and be well – C.J.

      • @C.J.

        I said that C.J because she obviously has verbal skill and she is literate, which I have regard for. Credit to whom credit is due, even if I don’t agree with her arguments.

      • “You say you believe (Hilary) that humans are animals and asked C.J why same-sex behavior occurs in dozens, if not hundreds of species. Then you responded to me by saying that we certainly do not take our cues from animals. I don’t exactly understand why you are making reference to it then.

        Regarding my question about evolution, my belief does depend on observable evidence because as I’m sure you are aware, the scientific method requires observable evidence.

        You referenced Darwin, Mendel, etc. Could you be specific? Can you give me one example of a change in kinds?” – Mav

        Mav:

        You are asking the impossible. Not only is the fossil record completely devoid of animals experiencing change, but there are no examples in the present day from which to reference. The Coelacanth, which was said to have been extinct for 70 million years, looks the same today as it does in the fossil record.

        For an entire class of organisms or animals to experience change would necessitate new information being added to the genetic code. There is no evidence that this is even possible, but that has not stopped Darwinian evolutionists from promoting the idea of the expanding genome.

        When all is said and done, Darwinian evolution is an attempt at ridding the world of its Creator. Nothing more.

        “I do not want to believe in God. Therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation leading to evolution.” – George Wald, Harvard Biologist and Nobel Prize winner

        Best wishes and be well – C.J.

      • It’s not even worth addressing all the incorrect assumptions in your “scientific” argumen, not the least of which is that “new” genetic information would have to be added to the genome for evolution to occur.

      • “It’s not even worth addressing all the incorrect assumptions in your (C.J.) “scientific” argumen, not the least of which is that “new” genetic information would have to be added to the genome for evolution to occur.” – Hilary

        Why is it not worth addressing? You argue ad nauseam about virtually everything under the sun, but now have nothing to say?

        Incorrect assumptions? Please advise.

        Tell me, dear, how is it possible for an organism or animal to change, when everything that goes into its “creation” is determined by its genetic code?

        I hope you understand that nothing can change (evolve) unless old information is lost or new information is gained – there is no other way. For a classification of creatures to evolve without losing some of its old genetic code or evolve without acquiring new genetic material is simply impossible – and would require miracles or magic.

        This is why your biologist friend from Harvard (and Nobel Prize winner), Dr. George Wald, said:

        “I do not want to believe in God. Therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation leading to evolution.”

      • The term “evolution”, as we use it in modern parlance, simply refers (in broad terms) to a genetic mutation that is passed down to offspring. These genetic mutations are made up of the same building blocks as any other gene. There is no requirement for new material to be introduced.
        Do you deny that genetic mutations occur?

      • “The term “evolution”, as we use it in modern parlance, simply refers (in broad terms) to a genetic mutation that is passed down to offspring. These genetic mutations are made up of the same building blocks as any other gene. There is no requirement for new material to be introduced.Do you deny that genetic mutations occur?” – Hilary

        No…I do not deny that mutations occur, but I do deny that beneficial mutations occur that lead an entire classification of organisms to change their shape, behavior, or existence – by changing into a different organism or new creature altogether.

        Three simple truths about random mutations:

        1. Genuine mutations that have added useful genetic information to an existing code in the natural environment has never been observed…only theorized
        2. Random mutations within ordered systems decrease the order in those systems
        3. The odds that even one beneficial random mutation occurred within an individual organism, in some place and at some time, during Earth’s ten billion years of existence, is 1 in a billion trillion

        Hilary…random mutations that add beneficial genetic information to existing code in one, single, solitary organism is virtually impossible. To think that entire classifications of animals or organisms could change this way IS impossible.

        I am afraid that evolution cannot deliver what you want it to. The bottom line is that your belief rests in the vain hopes, creative imaginations, evolving theories and mathematical impossibilities conjured by those who are at odds with their Creator – making you a woman of incredible faith.

      • “And the case of the peppered moth, for instance?” – Hilary

        I am glad you asked. The “Peppered” moth is a species of moth that has a dark (almost black) twin. Prior to the British Industrial Revolution, the peppered variety (light color with tiny dark spots) accounted for 98% of the species population, while their dark siblings accounted for the other 2% of the interbreeding population.

        The peppered variety fared well prior to the Industrial Revolution because they blended in quite well with tree lichen, which made them difficult to see by predatory birds. The dark variety did not fare nearly as well, because they were easily seen and devoured.

        Things changed, however, during the Industrial Revolution when air pollution began killing the tree lichen around larger cities. It was at this time that the dark variety of moth found comfort and camouflage against the (lichen-free) tree bark, while the peppered variety became increasingly noticeable to predators.

        Under the dark, polluted skies of the Industrial Revolution, the black variety flourished, until air quality standards were implemented and improved. Slowly, but surely, the tree lichen made its way back and as it did, more and more peppered moths were able to survive, all-the-while their darker siblings decreased in number due to a fundamental change of habitat.

        At no time did the peppered moth evolve into the black moth or vice versa. This is simply untrue. What the world witnessed was a classic case of “variation” within a species and this is a quality taught in Creation Science.

        It is important to note that natural selection can determine which variants will be most successful in a specific environment, but it cannot produce new species, create new life forms, or produce evolutionary changes.

        “Natural Selection” is not a mystery and it holds no secrets. Simply put: Environments with tall trees and juicy succulents (well-off the ground) will encourage taller animals to live there (like giraffes), while discouraging smaller creatures (like gazelles). Animals of a shorter stature will find habitats more suitable to their condition, and so on and so forth.

        Darwinian evolutionists would say that a short-necked giraffe patiently waited, stretched, and evolved its neck for 10 million years until it could reach the juicy succulents above. Of course, we all know this didn’t happen and doesn’t happen, but this is the official story and an example of the science-fiction that is promoted and believed by those who are on the run from the truth – as if it’s better to believe in scientific impossibilities, than to embrace God’s reality.

      • Rationalization and doublespeak.

        It is incomprehensible to me that you speak (incorrectly) of likelihoods, probabilities, and impossibilities in the natural world, yet lend credence to the notion of universal creation by Yahweh (not just any divine being, mind you, specifically the god of Abraham). What does statistics tell you about that?

      • “Rationalization and doublespeak.” – Hilary

        My dear…it seems likely that since you have lived in error for so long – truth has become stranger than fiction.

        “It is incomprehensible to me that you speak (incorrectly) of likelihoods, probabilities, and impossibilities in the natural world, yet lend credence to the notion of universal creation by Yahweh (not just any divine being, mind you, specifically the god of Abraham). What does statistics tell you about that?” – Hilary

        What can I say? I have studied world religions, I am well educated, and I am well read. Beyond that, I have read the “Bible” numerous times and I have always been impressed with how reliable it is politically, geographically, and historically. Over the years I have come to the conclusion that this “Book” is not a work of fiction, but a reliable source of knowledge.

        I remember when skeptics and scholars had argued that certain Biblical towns and cities (of antiquity) did not exist…only to find them later. I also remember when they denied that certain Biblical characters and civilizations existed…only to eat crow for dinner. I had to smile when the same skeptics and scholars began looking to the Bible as an archaeological authority, instead of denying its message.

        I don’t know, Hilary, it’s just a lot of little things (like that)…that inevitably led me to think that if the Bible is right historically, politically, and geographically – perhaps it has merit spiritually. I found YHWH and His only begotten Son, Christ Yeshua (Jesus), in the pages therein and They not only changed my world-view systematically, but They painted everything I see. Truly…I have been born again.

        I officially invite you to become a cherished member of Christ’s family, by handing your heart over to Him. I promise this will be a decision that you will never regret (and what, really, do you have to lose?).

        P.S. I am moving in two days, so this may be the last time we speak for quite some time. I wish you well and pray you accept Christ as your Lord and Savior, thus becoming a new creation.

        Best wishes, behave and be well – C.J. Sledgehammer

      • I won’t argue evolution because although it might be a nice theory, but it’s not correct. I will say, however, if the authors were writing during that period, why wouldn’t they be able to correctly incorporate their surroundings? If we wrote a book today, we too would have no problems making it politcally, geographically and historically correct. So I find it hard to understand why these would be the clinchers for you.

        Respectfully, there are over six hundred direct contradictions in the Bible as a result of different authors. If God had been the author and those men were JUST transcribers, there would not be contradictions. Additionally, the Bible is riddled with cruelty, violence, discrimination in general, inaccuracies and an enormous amount of misogyny/violence/discrimination against women which is absolutely the biggest indicator of the liberties the authors took along the way.

        The only reason I keep bringing this up is because of your incessant fixation on approving of and supporting the hate.

        Jesus lived. He was here. Men wrote about it. It’s easy to see what the messages of the Bible were intended to be. It’s unfortunate to see the good words it offers, that DO appear to be inspired by God, overshadowed by the prerogative insertions that quite obviously were not.

        Don’t judge.
        Don’t discriminate.
        Be a vessel of love and support.
        But clearly, it’s hard to be perfect when we too are only men.

      • It’s a nice theory because it’s the best one we have that makes all the pieces of the puzzle fit. #evolution

      • “It’s a nice theory because it’s the best one we have that makes all the pieces of the puzzle fit. #evolution” – Hilary

        Evolution is only a hypothesis, Hilary, and virtually none of the pieces fit together. Dr. Wald from Harvard (Professor of Biology and Nobel Prize winner) admits evolution is “scientifically impossible” (essentially calling it science-fiction, but a welcomed departure from God), yet you say evolution “makes all the pieces of the puzzle fit.” Not even the front-line story tellers (leading the charge) will claim that “all the pieces of the puzzle fit”, hence it is a “theory” that must continually evolve.

        Best of luck to you on your life-journey – C.J.

      • Mav:

        “Also, I have to infer from your statement (Hilary) that humans are animals that you don’t see any obvious distinction between human beings and animals. Which means you do take your cues from the animal kingdom for how humans are to behave….” – Mav

        Well said, Mav, and kudos to you for understanding the issue at hand, when others do not.

        I have had this conversation with Hilary before, and there is no doubt that she looks to the animal kingdom for inspiration, instead of looking to the one true God. Instead of rising to the higher standards set forth by Holy Scripture…she diminishes the expectations, roles, and responsibilities of humanity, to that of the animal kingdom.

      • Hilary:

        “Since humans are members of the animal kingdom, I do recognize humans as animals.” – Hilary

        You “recognize humans as animals” because it is a humanistic fallacy that tickles your ears and appeals to your senses, whereas you refute Holy Scripture which claims that humans were created just a little lower than the angels, were made with a “soul” (unlike the beasts of the field) and were made in God’s image and according to His likeness (Genesis 2:7).

        Taking your evolutionary leanings into consideration, one would think you would be thrilled to know humans were created highest on the “chain”, but instead, you would rather knock them off their God-given pedestal and see them wallowing in the mud below, engaging in primitive acts reserved for pigs and dogs.

      • I fail to see how the biblical worldview placing humans near the top of the pyramid should thrill a person who believes in evolution. It is not relevant. While humans are currently the apex predator, this has not always been so and likely will not be so forever.

      • Hilary:

        “I fail to see how the biblical worldview placing humans near the top of the pyramid should thrill a person who believes in evolution.” – Hilary

        I honestly don’t know how anyone who believes in the cold-hearted and chaotic message of evolution could be thrilled by anything at all. I just thought that since evolution is all about upward mobility, you would be happy to know that humans reached the pinnacle of perfection the very first day they appeared, hence there was never any need to evolve then…or now.

        Do the tenants of evolution fill you with joy when you consider that your life and the world around you is nothing more than an unguided series of random mutations and mistakes? Are you happy to know that your life has no real meaning or purpose? Are you filled with elation when you ponder the reality that evil will never be punished and goodness will never be rewarded? Do you feel peace in your soul when you take into consideration that all knowledge, all goodness, all kind deeds, and all gains produced by humanity will inevitably amount to nothing, when the last light in the universe begins to flicker and slowly dies out?

        Welcome to the darker-side of evolution…the one that no one really wants to talk about – the big picture…the end game. It is the satanic notion that goodness will never be rewarded and evil will be covered by an eternal cloak of darkness, forever escaping memory, detection and punishment.

        Hilary, please reconsider your life and your Creator…before it’s too late.

        Best wishes – C.J.

        P.S. The move has taken longer than expected. We should be all packed-up and ready to go within a couple of hours.

      • The notion that evolution is “about upward mobility” is a common misconception. That is in no way the case.

  20. Jesus doesn’t mention this issue,i’m sure he’d be disheartened at the level of judgementalism being cast by people who arent his father (the only one allowed to judge anyone). I’m sick to death of people cherry picking the bible to fit their own deep rooted hatred. Love people and respect people and don’t you dare claim to know the inner machinations of Jesus’ or Gods mind just because you read a book that was written by the most un-infalable creature “man” and was edited by a room of Men, modern “Christians” and their preoccupation with the nonsense issues that afflict the minority are the reason they’re so reviled by the world. Try fighting poverty or the approaching man-made eat death of God’s world through man-made climate change. Stop quoting leviticus to chastise homosexuality while ignoring the insane rulea from leviticus,STOP CHERRY PICKING THE BIBLE!

    • David!!!! Thank you!!
      Written by man, “inspired” by God, but WRITTEN by man none-the-less. And yes, this is exactly what I said, quit being selective with the verses you want to quote/preach and then ignore the ones that don’t fit your agenda.

      Well said my friend.

    • Lol, you’re sick to death David? Are you just going to give yourself a nervous breakdown? You seem to be OBSESSED with the bible. Are you religious?

      Who decides if, as you say, someone is cherry picking the bible? You?

      I’m reading this as I’m having my morning coffee and I must say, It’s very entertaining.

  21. I agree with you and just wrote on my last post about a ‘debate’ on fb that I had to put an end to as I”m not going to debate or change my beliefs/view point. I was told genitals didn’t determine gender…Are you kidding me? sigh. What is the world coming to? Elizabeth

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  23. I wanted to thank you for saying Bruce Jenner is not a hero. God does not make mistakes. People like Jenner are the devils pawns. So God bless you for taking a stand.

  24. It’s fascinating that some random, heretofore unknown person can type out a few paragraphs outlining her/his opinion on subject, upload it to a relatively obscure website and spark a months long debate.
    And more amazing is how upset some people get over it. I understand having strong opinions about this, or any subject. I really do understand that part of it. But in the larger scheme of things, this person’s posted opinion about Jenner not being a hero just doesn’t matter.
    Bruce Jenner is going to pay a doctor to chop his junk off, and the doctor is gonna take the money and do the deed. Nothing anyone says will change it. But the internet has everyone thinking that they are important and their opinions need to be known by the world.
    Thank you internet, for making it possible for us all to judge each other without qualifications. And for making it possible for everyone to be (or at least feel) famous. And for creating celebrities out of morally bankrupt, drug addled sluts.
    There’s my comment. Now I’m famous. Now I’m important. Yay ME!
    – Evan D. Snow, Sr. Okeechobee, Florida

    • “It’s fascinating that some random, heretofore unknown person can type out a few paragraphs outlining her/his opinion on subject, upload it to a relatively obscure website and spark a months long debate.
      And more amazing is how upset some people get over it. I understand having strong opinions about this, or any subject. I really do understand that part of it. But in the larger scheme of things, this person’s posted opinion about Jenner not being a hero just doesn’t matter.” – 3Van8Now

      Fact is…the LGBT community is no longer content to have left the closet. They are no longer pleased to have won acceptance. They are no longer satisfied with expanded civil rights legislation. Clearly “equality” did nothing to satiate their hunger for depravity and their lust for power.

      The LGBT lobby, in the same likeness as the Feminist lobby, is not after “equality” – they are after superior rights that will inevitably lead to domination. Feminism and its little side-kick (LGBT), therefore, will never stop until everyone believes as they do and everyone becomes as they are. This is what is at stake and why both these cancers need to be eradicated from the human body.

      • Hilary:

        “I needed a tinfoil hat to make it all the way through that one.” – Hilary

        Finally…you have found something that works for you. Congratulations!

  25. I agree with your thoughts overall ….. that he is no hero. And we can speculate until the cows come home about whether he’s actually a female spirit in a male body ….. or even what I mostly suspect ….. which is to say that he has somehow become “attached” by a cigarette-addicted female entity. Which is SO NOT Bruce Jenner, per se. So in setting aside pure speculation …. let’s focus for a moment on the OBVIOUS: He is such a MATERIALISTIC individual …. that he is opportunistically using all this to amass a fortune. THAT is what primarily DRIVES him ….. and it always HAS. That is his particular character flaw — in a nutshell. He is a self-absorbed hypocrite ….. and it’s all about his agenda. That’s why he has stayed married to Kris Kardashian all these many years ….. because she was “promoting” him and that paid huge dividend$. He is spiritually “bankrupt” though. He is obviously incapable of genuine emotional bonding …. as evidenced by how he could so EASILY walk away from his first four biological children from his first two short-lived marriages — all the while pretending to the world that he is a very caring “Super-Dad”. What? Just because he happened to sire six kids of his own …. and play the phony role of “Daddy” to the four kids of Kris? PLEASE. Yes …. I agree that the “MAN” is NO HERO. While he IS a LOT of things ….. “hero” certainly ISN’T one of them.

    • I agree with everything you said, Phoebe. I would just like to add that the reason these people see Bruce as a “hero” is because they have no source of pride and nothing to celebrate.

      Even though Bruce may have caused Kim Howe’s death in an auto accident (on 2-9-15), is a horrible husband, a bad father, a terrible role model, a shameless glory hound, and greedy philanderer – he is still considered to be a man at the top of his game by moral degenerates, derelicts and reprobates alike.

      • “reprobates”. I like that word. It doesn’t get enough use in today’s America. It’s like calling someone a scoundrel. We used to hear those words when I was a kid, but people don’t use proper yet colorful language anymore. These days they substitute profanity.
        You are doing a service for the community by introducing that sort of language. Good for you.

      • 3VAN8NOW:

        Thank you for your kind words and for your valuable contribution.

        Too many dissenters have been threatened and shamed into silence by the LGBT lobby, so it is refreshing to see that courage, morality, and sound reason still exists in this country – when good people like you…stand up and band together in order to fight this present darkness.

        Best wishes and be well – C.J.

  26. You’re sadly mistaken. If you took the time to really get to know people who struggle with gender identity — sometimes for decades — you might be able to approach this topic with some modicum of understanding and compassion. One of my dearest friends is transgender, and is one of the bravest, kindest and most balanced people of the planet. She transitioned at the age of 50 (she is now 65) and it was, indeed, and act of bravery.

    I believe it may be you, and others like you, who “risked little.”

    Nevertheless, peace to you!

    • PREACH IT. One of my best friends is transgender and seeing her (formerly him from when I first knew her) grow into the beautiful woman she is now, was hard for her. She was constantly criticized by her parents and felt as though she had no worth in this world. Through severe depression and suicide attempts, she finally found the true people that loved her. Her friends, including me, accept and love her. And seeing all this hate and criticism of Caitlyn just makes me think back to my friend’s hard time transitioning. Think about the people you’re hurting before you let your ignorance get in the way.

  27. I agree that he’s no hero and I am a Christian. I can understand and accept my LGBTI community but to be called a hero is a stretch. My only issue that I have with everyone who argues that you’re either male or female is that’s not true. I was born intersex and so are many other people in this world to throw us in an either or is just not true. I identify as a woman because that’s what’s on my birth certificate, but that doesn’t change my deep voice, my beard and mustache or my ambiguous genitalia. We are not all born the same I don’t think God makes mistakes, just how we deal with who He made us to be we can fall short and make our own mistakes.

  28. I truly, 100% er….scratch that 110% dont want to get into an argument over beliefs and morals and what not. The truth is I most assuredly DO NOT believe the same things you do. But that also doesn’t mean I believe what you and your Sunday School pals think I believe. Believe? Believe me I don’t!

    However…..I thought this article juuuuuuust might go there. Oh yah sister, uh hunh, you went there. I kid. But really. You say that if there is a God then there must be more that these physical bodies or something or other correct? And that if thats true then God? would have given Bruaitlyn his very own soul AND why indeed would God do that? God!?!?! Make a mistake? I hate, hate, HATE when I order a Dr. Pepper at Mc’D’s and they pour me a coke! Or worse yet……a DIET COKE!!!! And its always after you’ve driven off that you notice. But hey, they’z just people right? Drz amd lawyerz make miztakes so why wouldnt the guy washing your car or flipping your burger make them right? But God????? I cant speak for God. Do I believe God will condemn Caitluce to hellfire and damnation for all eternity for getting the super sized circumcision? I believe if there is a God and there is a hell he might not think to kindly of those down here on planet earf speaking for him! But alas…..I don’t believe in hell. Sorry. But could God have flubbed up? Was he putting in OT that week he created him/her/hem/hir in order to take Jebus on a skiing trip the following week? The world may never know.

    Have I offended anyone here? I truly haven’t meant any offence but sometimes maybe we take our judging a little too seriously ya know? Thats alls I’z a tryn ta do. Lighten the mood. I mean come on….Who are any of us to judge Brece Junner? It’s not our place. I agree 10,000 times over that you have a right to oppose this and gay marriage and the democratic party and that scary secular devils music!!! I’m not sure I accept those things, well besides the metal! But it’s not my place tp sit in judgement of Jruce Brenner. Not today, not tommoron and not last tuesday. I can disagree but the bible is pretty foggy on being judgemental, what a gd shame that is. Oh wait it’s not????

    At the end of the day, get your jollies off and go fish. Thats what jesus said right? Just go fish for men. Fish for women. Fish for he/she’s. Fish for drug addicts. Fish for hookerz. Fish for bums. If God has given you such blessings and love and embraced you IN SPITE of your sin….oh I know you dont sin anymore….but in spite of that one time back in college after dinking two bartles&james….I kid. But embrace the lost and love them and show them what you claim is at work in your lives. Dont f’ing judge them! If Gods real the HE WILL!!!

    Oh and before I go, while my heart breaks for them I cant know or understand what its like to think youre a woman in a mans body or vicey versey. And maybe its a sickness? Who can really say. With all the suffering in this world and all the birth defects and disease, with all the wars. With expecting parents finding out their unborn child has been diagnosed with downs syndrome or autism or some horrible tragic birth defect. Missing limbs, too many limbs. Is easy not to think about these things. What about conjoined twins? Conjoined twins. Think about that? Os that natural or did maybe, just maybe ole God made a mistake. Cause if he intended for children to be born with these afflictions then you guys can keep him. But Xtians are really balls at justifying stuff. So I’m sure youll pour one out for me and all your homies tonight when your drinking your 40oz and saying those prayers. My conclusion? ULTIMATELY jesus was love. He himself left the judgy wudgy up to his pops and he went and meet people wherever they where at, even their lowest and he embraced them. You don’t have to agree with Bruceykins but instead of pointing out whaz wrong wit dis yere picture you could maybe just love and embrace and leave the judging up to G O D. Or shit, maybe youre right and I’m gonna burn in hell for all of eternity !!!!!! If so….so be it. At least I’ll know that when I see Bruce in hell even if he is happy to see me it’ll just be a banana in his pocket. Boo-yah. Now can you dig that? Sucka!!!

    Jass over and out.

    • Thumbs up to Mr. Way!!! Whether youre a god loving, bible thumping, hell firing, brim stoning, fag hating, baptizing, zero sodomizing, down with the holy ghost, J.C. and the west coast OR youre a flaming and loud, gay and PROUD, love it or leave, Adam&Steve;-), open minded, loving, caring, mascara wearing, people are just people and the world needs a little compassion and understanding and acceptance of the normies and the ghouls, even all those right wing fools YOU JUST HAVE TO GIVE IT UP!!!! ONE TIME!!!! TO MR WAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!! Best post on this entire thread guys. For reals. Go back and re read it if you missed it! God Damn!!! Or Heavenly Father, God, Damn that to hell! Whichever you life, YOUR life, you like Mr Way is here to say he makes money all fruiting day cause today is payday cause hes worth $360 MIL from the ILLUM E NAAAAAA TTTTTTTTay! Mr Way actually transitioned from a man to a woman back to a man to a robot back to a woman to a terminator back to a woman one more time to a mime to a statue to a scientologist to a merman to a morman to a morwoman to a luchadore back to the BOMB AZZ Mr M’Fing WAY!!!!! And you know what? He was happy and we all deserve a little happiness. And if one mans happiness is another mans sin as defined by yet another man? Well then its not like Bruce Jenner standing up for a small yet needing (as in needing love, support, acceptance, freedom and the pursuit of happiness) minority group is going to send this world to hell in a handbasket. We’re FUCKED and we cant blame God or the gays on that one boys with or without toys and girls with or without pearls. Greed, corruption, power and the fact that the distribution of wealth is soooooooooo mind-boggling out of whack are the real terrorist threats. So if youre in or out, an innie or an outtie, in gods name or christian shame PLEASE show some fucking kindness and humanity to each other. That’s all. Don’t like it? Disagree! Got the Holy Ghost spirit? Share it with others in spite of their sin! Hate that damned pesky sin! Hate I sa, I sa, I say! But not at the cost of alienating someone. If youve never felt suicidal then you can never truly understand that despair and whether you believe its sin or was brought on by guilt or shame of sin understand that there is NO WAY TO JUSTIFY a tolerance of it. Especially when it comes to our youth. Let’s put some faith in our youth. Maybe with a little encouragement they can succeed where weve failed. And lastly, just before I go, in honor of my fallen HERO, a guy who according to most shouldnt be considered one but guess what fucktards……IT TAKES ALL KINDS, ROWDY RODDY PIPER : “I came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum and I’m all out of bubblegum”. Thank you, you’ve been a wonderful audience, thank you god bless you, Goodnight.

    • I agree. He is no hero. But he deserves much compassion as he struggles with a mental illness that the world is ignoring, even applauding. Which makes it even more difficult for him to heal and receive inner peace.

  29. Well folks, this is why when humans move on to the next great evolutionary existence people like those who agree with this lame blog will remain in the past and slowly fade away.

    I think your opinion on what a “Hero” is happens to be extremely subjective, dudette. I think it took a lot of guts to do what she did, half of what you couldn’t probably ever muster. On top of all that I am hoping she postures herself as a positive role model for transgender youth across the planet. YEAH THAT’S RIGHT, ACROSS THE PLANET, LIKE INTERNATIONALLY, THE SINNERS AND WEIRDOS ARE MULTIPLYING, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? Complain more most likely. lol.

    I never thought I would actually see the day when a Genetic woman could so openly express her jealousy towards a Transgender woman. Do you feel better knowing that you are obsolete?

  30. I love how people can find hate in a blogger speaking his/her mind, excellent read… This is what I don’t get, we as people always push that you’re perfect just the way you are. I’ve heard it all my life via websites, TV commercials, school, ect; and I’m sure many of you would agree so how is it heroic to give up on all that? Yeah, I know transgenders have there trials and tribulations, and it’s not right but they’re not the only ones being treated unfairly, most people who are treated as such have no say I’m the matter meaning they didn’t decide to be handicap, black, Hispanic, or poor (in some cases) what are we teaching the children? That you’re perfect the way you are unless you wanna be the opposite sex? That sounds rediculous. If you wanna change yourself do it. I won’t say it makes you a hero but if it makes you happy, run with it. As a Christian I love you all the same because “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” except jesus of coarse…and he loves you more than I ever will

    BTW excuse Grammer very late but had to speak on topic

  31. Bruce cannot truly believe in God because if he did, he would read the bible and know that God does not make mistakes……so, since God made him a man……then then fact that he changed his sexual orientation tells us that he only believes In his own desires. The fact that he chose to be a woman tells us that he believes God made a mistake …….which is the equivalent to saying…..I am God….. shame on you bruce jenner…..you will stand before the beama seat one day and answer to God why you did what you did.

    • She is in no way saying that she is God… That’s you interpreting her actions as you are the bible. Shaming her is not loving her. Which the God that I believe in wants us to do. And you will stand before God one day and have to tell Him that you broke one of his 7 commandments for not loving your neighbor as yourself.

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  33. I pray for everyone and everything. I do not know or understand how Caitlin feels or any transgender person. However I have compassion and empathy for those suffering and going threw things they can’t help or feel. This needs to be prayed for and all who struggle in life. I know because I have had others who judged friends and family. It was truly painful for them in decisions they’ve made in their lives.

  34. I don’t think Bruce Jenner was trying to be a hero. I think he was just trying to be himself (herself).

    Although most people are born male or female, some people are born both with both male and female parts, why did God make them this way, and what gender are they supposed to live their life as?

  35. I absolutely agree. Bruce Jenner is a man and always will be. He is NOT a hero by any means. He is a very sick individual who needs professional help. I refuse to acknowledge him as a she or her. He is neither. I am so disturbed by all the praise and accolades he has been receiving. I cannot stand to hear him call himself a woman. As a real woman myself I am disgusted by that. He is mutilating himself in front of the whole world while they cheer him on. He can wear all the makeup and female clothes he wants but that will never change his chromosomes. He was born a male and he will die a male. I hate when people who don’t agree with his decision are immediately labeled hateful or close minded. I cannot understand why it is OK for him to publicly transition but it is not OK to publicly disagree. I just wish that the people who do not agree with this would speak up. And I am so tired of everyone in the media and on the internet referring to him as “she” or “her”. I honestly hope that he does spend sometime in a male prison for the lady he killed in that fatal car crash. He deserves that. In my opinion he is disgusting and HE is not a woman and never will be. I will always refer to him as Bruce and as him or he. Because that is exactly what HE is.

  36. As a christian, I am going to call you out on, in fact, throwing the first stone. You have no room to be able to either judge nor say that this is in any way christian of you to not accept her as her not “him”. As christians we are taught to love everyone unconditionally as God does for us. “Love thy neighbor as thyself”… I don’t really think that being hateful towards her is really following the 7 commandments now is it? SHE is she. And its close-minded and ignorant for you to keep on calling her “he”. You need to learn not to pick and choose from the bible for what you believe. The christian community is progressing, and being stuck in your ways is your choice. I will respect your opinion, but I will NEVER agree with it. And for all the people saying “couldnt have said it better”, or saying “amen” (this isn’t a prayer btw).. please take a step back and think about what she just wrote from a christian stand point, not an interpretive of the bible christian. If you want to follow the ways of jesus christ and His father, God… Love Caitlyn for her. That’s all

    • Emma:

      I truly believe your worldly associations have led you down the primrose path toward spiritual compromise. What you are singing are the non-Biblical anthems of moral relativity, indiscriminate love and acceptance of sin.

      The Bible tells us to love thy Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul, and mind and to love thy neighbor as thyself. You seem to have taken this to the extreme by enmeshing indiscriminately with your worldly associations to such an extent that you have become blind to their folly and sympathetic to their sin.You, therefore, have not only become blind to their sin, but you have been corrupted by it – even to the point of defending it.

      The truth is that you have derailed from the straight and narrow path by succumbing to the spirit of error. The path you are now walking leads to spiritual darkness and destruction. Please release your worldly associations, submit to sound doctrine, and embrace Godly principles.

      Wishing you well – C.J. Sledgehammer

      • Where in the bible does it say that becoming transsexual is a sin? I’ve found Jesus through the love and acceptance of my church after I came out as part of the LGBT community, so I don’t think you have any room to say that I need to find Him. In my domination, we believe that everyone is accepted to Gods love. Don’t preach to me out of your ignorance and close-mindedness. Caitlyn Jenner is my hero in many ways, and you’re the reason that coming out at trans is an act of true bravery.

      • Emma:

        The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth. And, it is through the Spirit of Truth that we learn in Scripture that effeminate men and homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. For more clarity please read:

        Leviticus 18:22
        Romans 1:18-32
        1 Corinthians 6:9-10
        1 Timothy 1:9-11

        It is also through Scripture that we are given a glimpse of God’s mindset toward cross-dressing men and women in Deuteronomy 22:5.

        You state that Bruce Jenner is your “hero in many ways”, whereas Almighty YHWH and His victorious Son, Christ Yeshua, are mine. Little wonder you defend the LGBT community, while I am a defender of the Faith. Make no mistake: you have made peace with sin and have become desensitized to it. This is what happens when one dwells in the world, instead of living for God.

        Emma, I am glad that you acknowledge Jesus (at least in word), but unless you actually follow Him in thought and deed – your faith is ineffective and virtually nonexistent. In His own words, “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.” (John 14:15)

        In closing, it is my opinion that you have not been born of the Spirit. Or, if you have, you may still be feeding off milk. One day soon…I hope to see you eating solid food and maturing in the faith.

        “Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.” – Romans 12:2

        Be well – C.J. Sledgehammer

      • oh! You’re one of those people that follow the bible word for word! Well if so, I hope you aren’t wearing a shirt of polyester and are wearing maybe a sheet and rope because it’s APPARENTLY a sin in the bible. So is plenty of other things that we now practice in today’s society. Such as women in government and in part of church faculty. If we followed the bible word for word, we wouldn’t have developed medicine for we would’ve believed that the word of God could cure ailments. and in closing, I will no longer listen to you preaching because it’s not going to change who I am, nor how I view Caitlyn Jenner, or how I live my life through God.

      • Emma:

        God was yesterday…is today…and will be tomorrow. He is known, amongst other things, as “The Rock of Ages”, “Eternal Father” and as “Ancient of Days”. He neither changes in character, purpose, or message from one moment to the next…so why should I care what “today’s society” is preaching or practicing? Who are they compared to Him?

        “I will no longer listen to you preaching because it’s not going to change who I am, nor how I view Caitlyn Jenner, or how I live my life through God.” – Emma

        I reckon you cannot change unless the Holy Spirit works within you.

        Best of luck to you and yours – C.J. Sledgehammer

  37. What you miss in your world view is a hero is someone who stands up to be who they really are, despite being laughed at and ridiculed and leered at for the rest of their lives by an entire world of people like you. People who want to take my dignity from me, because they just don’t like it. That’s a hero to me. And I’m a transgendered women. Your God means nothing to me, and I would spit in Gods face and burn for all eternity rather then let God himself take this from me. Take that as you will. But I’d die before ever going back. You nor your God have the right to take that from me. I am not a mistake. It’s either your God, or your Bible screwed up sweetheart.

    • Dear Transgendered Individual:

      If all it took for a person to be construed a “hero” is for them to be true to themselves before the world – then Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Jack the Ripper and Hannibal Lecter would be a feather in the cap of humanity and an inspiration to us all.

      Fortunately, most people have more sense than that and construe a hero as one who saves the life of another…while sacrificing their own. A hero is also someone who stands for truth, justice, morality and decency, when they are likely to receive ridicule, threats and abuse from people like you.

      You say no one can take your dignity from you, but one could argue that a team of surgeons already has. And, if I am not mistaken – you couldn’t go back…even if you wanted to.

      Please be advised, my mutilated friend, that your true identity is found in our Creator…not in your epidermal layer. You can employ a team of the finest mad scientists the world has to offer and pay them to replace all your male parts with chicken feathers, but in the end…all you will have accomplished is to mutilate your body and alter your appearance, all-the-while leaving your true identity in tact.

      The jokes on you…sweetheart.

      • CJSlegurgitator, I find it interesting how you are always near a computer watching this blog like a Vulture hovers for road kill. Clearly, you are a soulless shell of a person. What a lonely life you must live, if you want to call it life. You are the equivalent of a cult leader with no true spiritual direction. Is this your blog? I’m starting to think so. Your own little parade of ignorance. Do the world a favor and hurry up and drink your cup of koolaid. Don’t sip… gulp!! The sooner you slump over and fall off that pedestal you put yourself on, the better!

      • Majority:

        With quips like that…it’s no wonder you are the life of the party and the toast of the town. You are up kinda late…don’t you have school tomorrow?

      • Wow, you are a hateful and ignorant person. So you’re comparing me to sociopaths, but you’re calling yourself “someone who stands for truth, justice, morality and decency?” Just because I wear a dress and do my nails! How easily threatened your great creator. I, nor Caytlin Jenner, hurt you or anyone else, nor for that matter your hate filled religion.

        I’ve never had any surgeries. And I look great.

        And no, child, the joke is you. Caytlin and I and beautifull trans-girls and boys have been on this planet before your God and will be long after.

        The day I realized I was a women, I became whole regardless of my physical parts.

        Think what you may. But I won. Caytlin won.
        The funny thing is you don’t realize there are trans-people… Women all around you. You just would never know… *wink* big boy.

  38. I agree with everything you say but when you start talking about Jesus I think you are as mixed up as Bruce Jenner. I don’t mean this disrespectfully I just know you are wrong and are putting faith into something because you are scared of what happens after death. I will tell you now that when you die your body is taken by the earth and used to give life to other beings. Please stop wasting your life on lies and fairytale bullshit. My email is danielfisher25@icloud.com p.s Bruce Jenner is a freak of nature and should be put down like so many others.

    • “I will tell you now that when you die your body is taken by the earth and used to give life to other beings. Please stop wasting your life on lies and fairytale bullshit.” – Daniel Fisher

      So noted. But, I guess it comes down to this: If you are right – then delusional Christians did good deeds, loved their neighbors, prayed for their enemies, and worshiped a romantic ideal of perfection for no real purpose…died…and were consumed by critters, while you lived a hopeless life…died…were covered with dirt and nourished critters.

      Then again, if you are wrong – then Christians lived a life of meaning and purpose by serving the living God and will live with Him in His heavenly kingdom for eternity, while your body is covered with earth and consumed by critters, all-the-while your soul is placed in outer darkness, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

      So, to recapitulate: If you are right…you win no prize, while Emily lives happily with an inspiring delusion. If you are wrong…you lose in this life and in the life to come, while Emily will live happily with her inspiring Lord and Savior in His glorious kingdom. Seems to me you made a foolish wager, Daniel, while Emily covered all her bets. Clever girl.

      P.S. Even if Emily is wasting her life on “fairy tale b.s.”, how is that hurting you and Bruce Jenner? Why do her beliefs concern you?

      • Wow, did I just agree with CJ just a little? I’m dazed and amazed. Mind you, it was not 100% so I hesitate to celebrate…..
        I have a few questions for you though:
        1: CJ, do you consider yourself a Christian?
        2: Are you currently, actively involved in a church and of what denomination?
        3: Well, I’ll hold on to that one until I receive a reply…

        Godspeed my friend.

    • As a transgender woman, let me say, just wow, just wow. The shear amount of hate and bigotry seen here is absolutely mind boggling! And all of you justify it! There is real science on the transgender, real biology. Your blind belief makes you ignorant and hate full. You should all be ashamed of yourselves! Simply because you are all to close minded to care about fact. There are trans-girls and boys suffering and dying do to bigatry like this page. I am proud to be a strong independent trans-womam. And I dare every last on of you to debate me. Caytlin Jenner is a beacon to others poisoned by evil people like you. She is a hero. She stoodup to an entire planet of small minded fools like every last one of you. I am Chrissy Valentine. And none of your hate, or your God can ever take that from me now. I’m quite legally female. Because I always was, male body or not. Whether any of you believe factual science or not is irrelevant. Caytlin and I already won.

      • “As a transgender woman, let me say, just wow, just wow….I dare every last one of you to debate me.” – Chrissy Valentine

        I’ll be your huckleberry – C.J. Sledgehammer

      • To you Chrissy, and all the other Chrissy’s in the world. Don’t pay attention to those who choose not to understand or who purposely try not to acknowledge the evolvement of this world. They may appear normal in writing, but those that only spit verses are quite clearly also the ones still riding a horse & buggy, denouncing electricity (what in tarnation is that??) And still peein’ in a hole because “that’s what Jesus did”. You get the idea?

        Here’s what you do: You love them anyway. You empathize with their narrow and shallow minds and you give them respect even though they refuse to grant you the same. Don’t concern yourself with reciprocation because you will never get it. Don’t worry about acceptance because from those who have buried their heads in the sand (no Jerusalem pun intended) you will get no acknowledgement. For those who claim to know God (but really don’t) you will only receive condemnation and more scriptures bcs this is ALL they know. Don’t pay attention to it.
        Ignore the shallow, but love them still. Ignore the hate, but give good will. Find the heart, though tough to see. Be the light that shines through Me.

        BE THE LIGHT. Forgive and keep moving forward. You are God’s wonderful creation. Be proud and no matter what, don’t hate……

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